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lbdmp



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blackwolf wrote:
It is common, almost normal, for a cold 2.4 to produce blueish smoke on startup and this is generally not something to worry about. It shouldn't do it when warm or hot though.

I don't think a stuck-open EGR would cause blue smoke and it would produce DTCs.

A 2009 engine could conceivably suffer from the PCJ hysteresis problem which causes destructive wear to bores and pistons. Do you have any evidence to make you believe it was running clean before its accident? What happens if you remove the oil filler cap with the engine running?

I would suggest a compression test would be a sensible next step, and taking a look at the bores with an endoscope through the injector holes. Alternatively take the head off for an inspection.


I have a video of the engine running before disassembly but you can't see the exhaust.
As for the compression test, I've done one and it's OK.
Does a damaged piston show up 100% on the compression test?
Post #1059265 2nd Feb 2025 11:44am
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MK



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I have been around at several injector test benches performing tests and I have the impression they deliver pretty much useless results, except if an injector is trully bad or leaks. I can only speak for the 2.4 Denso injectors. Puma 110" SW

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lbdmp



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blackwolf wrote:
Yes, missed the bit about the compression test! Embarassed

Is the inside of the inlet manifold oily? Is the intercooler full of oil from the old engine?


I cleaned the intercooler because it was full of oil from the old engine.
I also removed the catalytic converter because it was full of oil. Could the central silencer also be full of oil and causing this problem?
Post #1059268 2nd Feb 2025 11:48am
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lbdmp



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andy63 wrote:
Hmmm well I'll be at odds with bw..
If your egr valve was allowing loss of air it could well produce smoke...but Id still be inclined to get a smoke test done just to make sure the inlet side is tight..
Yes I would expect codes if its severe enough..but at least the egr is common to both engines producing the same symptoms so seems like a good place to start given its one of the few items not mentioned in the previous comments..

I thought the op had already got compression test results that were good??


It costs nothing to try mechanically sealing the egr valve with a plate.
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lbdmp



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MK wrote:
I have been around at several injector test benches performing tests and I have the impression they deliver pretty much useless results, except if an injector is trully bad or leaks. I can only speak for the 2.4 Denso injectors.


We installed 4 new injectors (original) that we had in stock.
Post #1059271 2nd Feb 2025 11:55am
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andy63



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Worth a try..👍
Also the point bw made about the pressure in the engine on the breather.. but if you have had turbos off and on I'd have expected to see excess oil in the pipework if it was bad..
If it is excessive you would suspect injector seals given your compression tests are good...but again you have just done the injectors ..
Good luck anyway.👍
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lbdmp



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I have no smoke from the breather, and no trace of oil.
I have the impression that no air is coming out of it.

On the old engine, it was a real chimney.
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jbcollier



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Has it been remapped? If so, by whom. A lot of fly-by-night mappers were popular back in the day. Mine was mapped by Bell who are very well regarded and it still has glitches. Below -10C, at very light throttle and going down hill, it puts out a lot of blue smoke. A wee bit warmer outside and it disappears. This is when the engine is at temp.

Off topic but engine mapping is way more complicated than it seems. I think a lot of issues are caused by mapping and then not fitting and minding a EGT. Mine has a basic 150 Bell map and I could wrap (needle past the bottom and coming back up again) the EGT gauge very easily on a hill and my gauge reads to 2K°F!

Back on topic, I think your injection system is somehow thinking it needs more fuel. Bad MAF, MAP, CHT sensors. Wiring issues therein. Air leaks in the post turbo intake system (thinks there's more air than there actually is), etc.
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lbdmp



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this defender has never been remaped.
Is it possible to test the sensors with a diagnostic tool? I have a launch x431 pro.
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lbdmp



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jbcollier wrote:
Has it been remapped? If so, by whom. A lot of fly-by-night mappers were popular back in the day. Mine was mapped by Bell who are very well regarded and it still has glitches. Below -10C, at very light throttle and going down hill, it puts out a lot of blue smoke. A wee bit warmer outside and it disappears. This is when the engine is at temp.

Off topic but engine mapping is way more complicated than it seems. I think a lot of issues are caused by mapping and then not fitting and minding a EGT. Mine has a basic 150 Bell map and I could wrap (needle past the bottom and coming back up again) the EGT gauge very easily on a hill and my gauge reads to 2K°F!

Back on topic, I think your injection system is somehow thinking it needs more fuel. Bad MAF, MAP, CHT sensors. Wiring issues therein. Air leaks in the post turbo intake system (thinks there's more air than there actually is), etc.


I don't have any ferrite on the actuator wiring, is this normal?
Is it possible to test the sensors with a diagnostic tool? I have a launch x431 pro.
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jbcollier



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i believe on the Nanocom and Gap Diagnostic IID Tool are the only ones that provide detailed diagnostic abilities.
Post #1059290 2nd Feb 2025 2:41pm
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andy63



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To me the definitive test for just about any sensor or actuator is the scope..
The scan tool is usually the first port of call but the scope can confirm it's proper function..
The big issue with scope work is having access to known good ..
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lbdmp



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I have a scope function on my diagnostic tool, I'm going to try it this week.
Post #1059310 2nd Feb 2025 6:32pm
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andy63



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That's great.. 👍
the big advantage of having the scope facility with the scan tool is the fact you are more likely to use it and I'd imagine the softwares are interlinked and compatible making it easier to understand..
Well that's what I'm thinking🤔, but I've only ever had the separate unit and there is no doubt that puts people off getting it out as there is no denying it can be tedious setting it up..
In a garage it should be easier as they should have a diagnostic cart with the gear to hand..
The more you use it the easier it gets👍😁
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blackwolf



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lbdmp wrote:
... Could the central silencer also be full of oil and causing this problem?


I'd think that this is possible but not likely, I imagine it would take some time for the silencer to get hot enough to start burning oil despite the heat of the exhaust gas. If the smoke is due to residual oil anywhere in the exhaust system it will stop once all the oil has burnt.
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