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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 205  
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How charming you are…
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23rd Jan 2025 7:15am |
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| Eric Caterpillar Member Since: 17 Jun 2024 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 65 
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Not sure how suggesting to buy a BTL property helps the OP with the question?
Plus, where do you live to be able to buy two with a £55k deposit?? Just had a look at AT with Stacey's angle in mind: looking at the last of the L405 RR D300, 21/71 plate with appox. 20k miles would cost you somewhere in the £40k to mid £40k range, but the OP said he's coming from that model, so perhaps fancies a change? Example of a late FFRR D300: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra Picked this one as neither the bodywork or wheels are black. On the other hand, you are looking at a Defender up to £55k. Found this example here: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra Picked it as it's not black, is a XS and D250. When it comes to a Defender, or a car of that size/weight/purpose, I wouldn't consider a 4 cylinder, either diesel or petrol, even if the petrol variant is a PHEV, though it may work for some people. So far I haven't heard many horror stories about the inline 6 diesel in these cars, it's most likely the electrical system/electronics to go wrong. My £0.02 for what it's worth, feel free to disagree. |
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23rd Jan 2025 8:26am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1432 
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I took the route of selling my Defender, bought a 2016 EU6 D4 and shoved £40k into my wife’s pension with max tax uplift. Win, win all round. Don’t miss the Defender and love the practicality of the D4.
 Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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23rd Jan 2025 10:08am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3790
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^ This is my theory also partly
I love cars, but I cannot get my head round how expensive new ones are. We have a nice selection of older cars and the value compared to new is incredible. I think these days most people don't care about the actual cost price its simply how much per month... I probably will swap my FFRR at some point but it does everything so well and is so comfy ( I mean its all relative but when I have Series landrovers and a old shape 110) even the 110 feels like a rolls after driving the series. We have recently changed one of my wife's cars and it was I think a cracking find, 4 years old but only 2500 miles (lived in London), Literally a new car for Half the £60K it cost new... Yet we will still lose on it but at least someone took a big hit. Too be honest I love going on Piston heads, collecting cars and autotrader and just looking what you can get for sensible money. Looking around I feel is more fun than when you have done the deal 
Just or something completely different, as you normally see these outside all the posh hotels in Europe. I would not have this color. However look at the value compared to a say a new B class Merc.. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2...mp;fromsra Great looking at stuff |
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23rd Jan 2025 10:53am |
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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 205
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If you are after the mobster style, that’s the car for you for sure!
I would like the FFRR but then knobs driving them and ruin the reputation of the car is simply a no go… As per Value, you might not see value in new, others might. To me the first fart in the car is worth all the deprecation coming after it… |
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23rd Jan 2025 1:54pm |
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| Bows Member Since: 07 May 2012 Location: Wales Posts: 516  
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The OP closes his post asking “what would you / did you buy?”
I was merely responding to this with a little lateral thinking. I would never part with that much money for any current JLR product, in hindsight, I regret my second comment but at the time I thought it was deserved, I didn’t draw 1st blood. Good luck with whatever vehicle the OP goes with. 2006 TD5110 station wagon 1995 300Tdi 90 truck cab 1989 90 hard top with 200 tdi 1983 110 hard top 1983 110 Hi cap 1954 107 pick up |
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23rd Jan 2025 7:49pm |
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| Munchie Member Since: 30 Oct 2024 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 30
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The only difference is the front brakes are bigger on the D350. There won’t be anything else different, like the Ftype p450 and the R -it was the same engine and cooling and a different map. Having said that I’m buying a D350 to maintain the warranty, my Ftype is tuned but is out of warranty. |
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23rd Jan 2025 9:02pm |
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| barbel jim Member Since: 12 Dec 2012 Location: Northants Posts: 1432 
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[quote="So far I haven't heard many horror stories about the inline 6 diesel in these cars.[/quote]
 You will do…..there just starting to show there pedigree….. not as bad as the 4cyliinder , but whispers it’s not as reliable as the sdv6…. |
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24th Jan 2025 6:27am |
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| Eric Caterpillar Member Since: 17 Jun 2024 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 65
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Admittedly, I am not familiar with the previous Land Rover generations, but a short search shows multiple counts of SDV6 engine problems, the most numerous post-wise on other forums is the SDV6 crankshaft/bearing failure. That literally put me of buying anything with that engine, even if it's a nice and well-depreciated car.
Then again, it's my first LR and I come from a long list of straight/v 6 petrol, so by default my position was that the inline 6 in the Defender should do ok if looked after. |
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24th Jan 2025 7:59am |
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| ruben Member Since: 04 Feb 2021 Location: ASTURIAS Posts: 232 
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I think that argument is insufficient, can you be a little more explicit please? I searched the internet and nothing at all appears on this subject, thank you, and I await more information from you. Defender 110 SE I6 D250 23MY ExDiscovery 3 TDV6 SE |
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24th Jan 2025 8:49am |
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| XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 507 |
The model years are a pain in the arse, as the standard equipment changed a lot.
I have a 2022 MY23.5 D250, X-Dynamic, S (although technically, the S was dropped for MY23.5 so I have a bit of a weird example). Between MY23 and MY23.5 the air suspension changed from standard equipment on the older models to optional on the new ones. Also, 7 seaters need air suspension apparently - so if it's a later model with 7 seats, it should indicate it has AS. Mine came with came with seat heaters as standard. Half leather. No heated steering wheel. preconditioning is a standard I think - although it doesn't warm seats/steering wheel. X-Dynamic basically means a darker grey bumper, and half leather seats with a tough fabric outer. Note this isn't the really bad fabric that came in the early versions which stained at the mearest sight of water. This is a sort of vinyl/dotty fabric that is OK. I'd have preferred the full leather, but the x-dynamic deletes full leather from the standard equipment. The 3 litre D250 is perfectly adequate for me. 0-60 in around 6 seconds, and 35+mpg on motorway drives if you're sensible (which I am not). Around 20mpg in London averaging 12mph.. The HSE will give you full windsor leather (I think). Heated steering wheel I'm not sure about but I would expect so. The DRLs were standard from MY23.5, optional/tied into packages in earlier models. Same with the Meridian sound system I think. Optional pre-MY23.5, standard after (when the 'S' disappeared). The 6 litre engines seem to be pretty solid. The 2 litres had some issues and were swiftly removed from the line-up after a year or two. I believe the D250 block is the same in the D300 and D350, which in my view, suggests the D250 is overengineered for the power. Other things that were hot topics at the time: Central screen size. I personally like the smaller screen as if fit more seamlessly into the dash, but everyone loves a big screen! Instrument clusters were very randomly allocated - especially in later 2022 it seemed to be pretty random if you got a digital drivers display or the manual clocks. It didn't really bother me, I got the full digital version, but you might want to keep an eye on that if it's something you specifically want. The pano roofing options also changed around the MY23.5 (end of 2022). Coming from a FFRR, you'll probably appreciate the HSE. You might squeak into a D250 HSE at £55k. Personally, I like the 7 seat flexibility, and I love the utilitarian vibe of the defender. But I only get to take it offroad a few times a year. So I think, in truth, the Disco is better suited for me - with 95% on road and more comfortable, and still capable enough to do the average offroad stuff I'm using the defender for. So you're probably paying a £5k / 2 year older age premium in going for a defender HSE vs a Disco HSE.. |
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24th Jan 2025 11:21am |
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| JW51MAT Member Since: 03 Oct 2022 Location: UK Posts: 35 |
Update, went out in a D250 and was fine tootling about town etc but as soon as I got it on the dual carriage way it felt flat. Obviously coming from a 4.4 I was always going to feel a little underwhelmed but it's just not for me, maybe a 350 will feel more the part but if I go down that route I will have buyers regret and feel I should have just bought or kept my FFRR. I also realise I do not like black interiors so that will limit the used defenders available.
I do love the chase of a car and there are loads of cars out there that I really like but for my job, hobbies, where I live (farm) my best option is a 4x4. If I could drive whatever I wanted under £100k it would be a Mclaren in bright orange but not sure my equine friends would go much on that. I always buy main dealer and pay the manufacturers warranty each year so if it goes pop it aint my problem. Any car you pays your money and takes your chance, just limit your exposure, it's the same with any financial transaction. Cars aint cheap, my daughter has a Defender 90 2001 and loves it. It aint loosing money but costs 4 grand to get it up to scratch and two years later £1400 service and MOT so actually cost £5400 over three years if it doesn't need anything for 11 months. £1800 a year isn't bad but she could have bought a cheap run around for £500 and if it breaks down just buy another then another then another. I suppose my point is buy what you can afford and enjoy it. PS lots of FFRR in the UK unsold so deals to be had, I still may end up with buyers regret, budget being realigned as we speak  |
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24th Jan 2025 11:47am |
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| Stacey007 Member Since: 25 Sep 2015 Location: Cheshire Posts: 3790
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Also a good point about trim
Almost all Defenders are black trim and black headlining, even with the opening roof a pretty dark place, more so in the back. Very few chose anything else? My current FF Is lovely even on a dark and horrible day, 2 dogs, 2 kids, still looks great
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24th Jan 2025 4:26pm |
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| Eric Caterpillar Member Since: 17 Jun 2024 Location: West of Scotland Posts: 65
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I will shamelessly use this opportunity to post a photo of my Defender's interior.
Click image to enlarge One of the reasons why I went factory spec was to not get an all black car as it seems people over here just recognise black wheels, black paint and black interior, so getting something out with that spec on a used market was quite a challenge. |
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24th Jan 2025 4:33pm |
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