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Huttopia



Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
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Hilux
After quite a few Defenders I’ve bought a Hilux, or Talivan as the kids have taken to calling it. It isn’t new, a 2019 Invincible, so quite well appointed and the 2.4l engine. First impressions are it is quite plasticky inside but everything is in the right place and feels robust. The lower tailgate weighs a tonne so some rams needed. It pulls well after a racket but then settles to about 1800 rpm at 65/70. I really like being able to switch into 4wd on the fly. It definitely needs some better tyres to avoid embarrassment when in the field. I’m going to Gearmate in Alcester to see about custom fit drawers and dog box.

Toyota are fitting free trackers to Hilux after 2018…I assume because the keyless entry of that era makes them easy to thieve. Mine is booked in. If serviced by Toyota they extend the warranty up to 10 years / 100k miles which is pretty good, mine is halfway there on both counts.

So far so good (only a week in..).

We still have a couple of LR products just not a Defender at the moment…I’m sure one will come around again in time.

Happy Defendering in 2025!
Post #1056608 7th Jan 2025 9:11pm
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Betsy



Member Since: 05 Aug 2024
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 1999 Defender 110 Td5 HT Coniston Green
Talivan Rolling with laughter is that because it looks like it should belong to the Taliban!
Jokes aside I have my td5 defender and a 17 plate hilux, I prefer my defender however the hilux is a better all rounder as a work/family vehicle for my line of work
Tyre wise I put discovery att’s on mine, there about a 60/40 road/off road, they have handled well but the front have worn fairly quickly
Post #1056610 7th Jan 2025 9:23pm
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Oldyellar



Member Since: 04 Sep 2015
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Scotland 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Corris Grey
I've had plenty hilux's in the form of 3.0d4d - 2.5d4d the 2.4 as mentioned and the new 2.8 all very good currently running a 2.5d4d 2015 active, genuinely they don't make any better all round 4x4 pickup than the hilux. They might not be the best to drive but they are durable and usually age better than their counterparts.
Post #1056615 7th Jan 2025 10:13pm
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diesel_jim



Member Since: 13 Oct 2008
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United Kingdom 2006 Defender 110 Td5 SW Epsom Green
I've also got a 2019 invincible. auto. loving it.

Mine needs a new set of boots as well, but I was genuinely surprised how well it managed to crawl around on nearly worn out "general terrain" tyres.
Post #1056627 8th Jan 2025 6:30am
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Huttopia



Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
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I had it waxoiled as part of the purchase, the chassis looked great but I couldn’t see a downside and from what I’ve read the chassis is the weak spot with these in our climate.

She jiggles a bit on the lanes with the potholes, leaf springs and no cargo don’t help! PWR heat is handy in this weather, it would be good to do it via an app / remote. No CarPlay in my vehicle, and I’ve been quoted £600 to fit an adapter behind the dash which uses the stock screen and reversing camera….something to ponder on. There must be more cost effective options.
Post #1056633 8th Jan 2025 8:47am
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mini Anaconda



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Location: Thames Valley
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Re: Hilux
Huttopia wrote:
After quite a few Defenders I’ve bought a Hilux, or Talivan as the kids have taken to calling it. It isn’t new, a 2019 Invincible, so quite well appointed and the 2.4l engine. First impressions are it is quite plasticky inside but everything is in the right place and feels robust. The lower tailgate weighs a tonne so some rams needed. It pulls well after a racket but then settles to about 1800 rpm at 65/70. I really like being able to switch into 4wd on the fly. It definitely needs some better tyres to avoid embarrassment when in the field. I’m going to Gearmate in Alcester to see about custom fit drawers and dog box.

Toyota are fitting free trackers to Hilux after 2018…I assume because the keyless entry of that era makes them easy to thieve. Mine is booked in. If serviced by Toyota they extend the warranty up to 10 years / 100k miles which is pretty good, mine is halfway there on both counts.

So far so good (only a week in..).

We still have a couple of LR products just not a Defender at the moment…I’m sure one will come around again in time.

Happy Defendering in 2025!


Any photos of the Hilux? BORG - Bucks & Oxon 4x4 Response Group
Post #1056666 8th Jan 2025 1:06pm
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Huttopia



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There you go…

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Post #1056670 8th Jan 2025 1:25pm
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Re: Hilux
Huttopia wrote:
... I really like being able to switch into 4wd on the fly. ...


I prefer to have full-time 4WD. There is a lot to be said for the classic Defender and the Grenadier drivelines.

That being said, what part-time 4WD vehicles have there been which don't let you engage 4WD on the fly? I am having trouble thinking of any. There are those (like an older Landrover) which won't let you deselect 4WD on the fly, but I can't think any that won't let you select 4WD.
Post #1056674 8th Jan 2025 2:22pm
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Huttopia



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You’re undoubtedly right Blackwolf, part time 4wd drive is new to me and just turning a dial on the dash made me quite happy! No idea how other manufacturers / systems work.
Post #1056676 8th Jan 2025 2:36pm
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mini Anaconda



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Huttopia wrote:
There you go…

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Looks great, I'd like that Thumbs Up BORG - Bucks & Oxon 4x4 Response Group
Post #1056679 8th Jan 2025 3:21pm
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Nidge



Member Since: 27 Jan 2008
Location: Kildare Ireland
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Ireland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 HCPU Cairns Blue
Recently bought one here too, 2020 Invincible X Auto, very disappointed in it Sad
was to be my daily driver but can't warm to it at all. It sits in the driveway most days and i end up taking the Td5 defender.

Very choppy and skittish on the road when empty and suspension is way too hard. Autobox is clunky and rough and I find the cabin very enclosed....

For the money they cost I was expecting a lot more.
Post #1056710 8th Jan 2025 8:21pm
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Chris86



Member Since: 15 Jul 2014
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United Kingdom 2005 Defender 110 Td5 USW Chawton White
Lots of our customers run Hiluxes, and I have recently done quite a bit of work with Toyota with their prototype Hydrogen Hilux.

I really like certain things about them, the interior does feel very solid and I like the driving position compared to most of the current crop of of pick ups.

The autoboxes can be a bit strange, but I think like most autoboxes they are adaptive so will improve with more driving, I have experienced this with multiple manufacturers where initially an autobox feels horrid, but then settles.

I had a particular bad example with a press car I was given to use that drove awfully as it had been driven hard by a journo the proceeding few weeks, by the end of the 4 days I had it it was fine.

I'm in agreement with the comments about the ride quality- when unladen the rear springing is very stiff- with the addition of a canopy on the back and a partial load they improve a lot.

The only pickups that can run in AWD currently on sale are the new Ranger and Amarok- even then it's spec dependent.

Previously all of the mid-high spec Mitsubishi L200s course run RWD/AWD/4wd (locked centre coupling) and high/Low. We run a 2014 L200 Trojan as one of our training cars principally because of this, it works really well in poor weather, and for towing- 2wd is only ever really used on long motorway runs.

Likewise the older Amarok 4motion was an AWD system, and the mercedes X350d.......

We are currently looking at what to replace the L200 with and a Hilux appeals, but it it will likely end up being another L200 or a possibily even a Fiat Fullback cross, which is the same as the Series 5 L200, but also has a rear difflock, which the L200 didn't apart from in the low spec 4wd system.

Chris
Post #1056740 9th Jan 2025 8:23am
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Chris86 wrote:
... The only pickups that can run in AWD currently on sale are the new Ranger and Amarok- even then it's spec dependent. ...


Don't forget the Grenadier Quartermaster, which is full-time 4WD in a very similar way to the proper Defender. None of this Haldex nonsense!
Post #1056764 9th Jan 2025 11:00am
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Huttopia



Member Since: 23 Feb 2016
Location: West Midlands
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I should probably add that I drive very steadily, years of a 4.0 P38 ingrained that habit. I imagine if I tried to push the Hilux is would be pretty bouncy and unpleasant, but I don’t, I just beetle from a to b. Having said that the 2wd caught me out last night, coming through the farmyard about 150m from home and the track was covered in ice, I accelerated to get up the hill and the back end squiggled all over the shop….back to Blackwolf’s point about liking perm 4wd…
Post #1056820 9th Jan 2025 6:05pm
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Bowbearer



Member Since: 12 Aug 2022
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United Kingdom 1985 Defender 110 200 Tdi SW Auto Baltic Blue
Borrowed one several years back for towing with a view of getting one to support my 110.

Big thing for me was you couldn’t use low ratio without locking the 4 wheel drive system.

Not good on slippy inclines on road with 3+ tons on the back.

Not sure if you can on the new ones.

Agree Grenadier system on Quartermaster better but payload is not good enough.

As an all rounder the Toyota is hard to beat.
Post #1057017 11th Jan 2025 10:24am
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