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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4709  
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From a Sunday newspaper
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22nd Dec 2024 1:03pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3316  
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Looks like incompetent planning rather than anything to do with the actual buses. It’s the equivalent of buying a fleet of diesel buses and not filling them with fuel. WARNING.
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22nd Dec 2024 1:44pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20453
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They just don’t seem to get that transport of that nature just isn’t popular and isn’t that much in demand except for very inner city conditions, for generally city based people.
For a starting point even with a taxi, say Uber, at least most are accessible for people with a disability if ordered in such a manner, AND you could take some cargo aka shopping etc with more ease. Plus you can go to where you want to go, not designated routes. Each to their own, but not everyone wants to live that urban centric life, and in fact it is that lifestyle and especially creeping urbanisation that is causing, far, far, more damage to the environment, fauna and wildlife. It’s this, which is also causing flooding issues, as land isn’t able to drain or breathe as well as it should, and also acts as a heat retaining radiator in summer, concrete, concrete, concrete. Materials such as concrete, steel, glass etc, all hold heat beyond hours of daylight, then of course they’ll stick a thermometer in a man made environment and then call it over temp. (Above average climate change blurb). I wonder why, inner city areas around the world are often 2.C - 3.C above ambient temps around the surrounding vicinity area, and also why snow doesn’t settle in these areas. “Like it used to”. Why, because it’s artificially warmed by the human manmade environment in recent decades much more so, it’s not autos causing it, but urbanisation and property over development, and uncontrolled population expansion. No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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22nd Dec 2024 2:03pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585 
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I believe ev and hydrogen buses can be sourced from a company in Northern Ireland.
Not everyone can afford a car or a taxi. Public transport is important. Round here they are about to fit the electric charging prior to ev buses coming. Travel into Europe and there’s great public transportation everywhere. We are miles behind in the uk. Been on a few ev buses abroad, they are great. I get the bus into town a lot, few pints with mates maybe a meal then home. The Landrover can stay safely locked up and dry rather than parking in town. |
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22nd Dec 2024 7:56pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514
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We have a fleet of electric busses in Norwich, both double deckers and single deckers. RobKeay is correct, they are made by Wright Bus in Northern Ireland who I believe have a big tie up with the JCB family. Just like cars, there are some buses made in China. They seem to be getting quite good at battery vehicles (MG and BYD come to mind)
When it comes to chargers, as can be assumed, a 13 Amp socket won't cut the mustard so the reality is, a new high voltage supply would need to be brought into the bus depot and a new transformer to bring the voltage down to a manageable 400 volts three phase. Unless you install a clever load management system, a vehicle charger is afforded no diversity (I think this word has been changed to selectivity in the 18th Edition IET Regulations for electrical installations). I.E. if you have 1000kW of chargers, you need a supply which exceeds 1000kW as in the morning you need all your buses to be charged up. (Selectivity / diversity is used all the time in the design of electrical installations. It is the assumption that not all loads will be used at the same time. For a bus depot with multiple chargers, this just wouldn't work) This new supply is usually the stumbling point. Trying to find a large HV supply in most towns and cities is really difficult for the DNO (distribution network operator) and they will more than likely need to do reinforcement works to upgrade their high voltage network to do this. Delays are normal. They may need to order in new switchgear or transformers that need to be manufactured, no one keeps spares these days, cables may need to be uprated, roads dug up, God help you if your new cable needs to cross a railway line (that can take three plus years to agree with Network Rail, if indeed they do agree) or any kind of wildlife habitat or SSSI in your path or trunk roads. The delays will just go up and up. So First Bus in Norwich got their new supply and chargers installed before the busses turned up. So far they appear to be running great. I have never seen one broken down, which compared to the old diesel ones is a bit of highlight. We got everyone's cast offs so it was not unusual for us to receive 10 plus year old buses from all over the UK. It's nice to have some shiny new ones (which were paid for by HM Government) |
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22nd Dec 2024 10:06pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514
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Just forgot to say, these nice new buses don't come anywhere near my village
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22nd Dec 2024 10:09pm |
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| J77 Member Since: 04 Nov 2019 Location: Fife Posts: 3411 
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The company I work have a few creeping into the fleet, Alexander Dennis bodied BYDs. Anther Depot should’ve taken delivery of Alexander Dennis’ new Enviro 100 EV but they are still at our depot awaiting a software update to fix a few issues. A batch of Volvo BZLs are due next year for another depot.
All depots had the charging infrastructure in place prior to delivery, so far they seem to be working well now they’ve worked out their operational limits, the routes they can/can’t do. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue |
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23rd Dec 2024 12:52pm |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3316
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City buses spend half their lives idling and the other stop starting, all the while spewing pollutants in built up areas. EV’s are quiet, cleaner and cheaper to run, they make perfect sense despite what certain parts of the media would like you to believe. Last time I looked TFL were successfully running more than thousand of them. I think they also have a couple of dozen hydrogen buses on trial as well. WARNING.
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23rd Dec 2024 1:34pm |
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| excossack Member Since: 22 Feb 2012 Location: North West Posts: 5852 
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A recent Harry Garage video had a visit to JCB and a bit on their Hydrogen power plant and little bit on buses that I think JCB's son has something to do with 1999 Defender TD5 110
Regards John M0VAZ Econet Station 48 no clock |
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23rd Dec 2024 3:44pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585
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His son owns Wright’s buses in Northern Ireland
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23rd Dec 2024 4:14pm |
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| 90 Dreamer Member Since: 13 Jul 2019 Location: Oop North Posts: 2169 
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Does he fail to pay any tax also or is it just his Dad that (allegedly) doesn’t…….
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23rd Dec 2024 4:21pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585
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His helicopter is licensed in the Isle of Man.
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23rd Dec 2024 5:57pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4709
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Seems they rushed these into service before the back up facilities necessary were in place. Publicity over practicality. I suppose it sounds better to say "Here are the buses." Rather than "We will spend the next three years getting things ready for the introduction of the buses." 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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23rd Dec 2024 9:28pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514
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I have worked on several projects where electrical supplies have been an issue (although non of them to do with EV Chargers).
It really is a lottery. There can be a number of reasons why supplies can't be sourced and costs can be anywhere from reasonable to how did they get to that figure? Believe this or believe it not, I did a refurb on a part of an NHS Hospital where there was a large high voltage transformer on the site which was only 20% utilised. We applied to have a small load added and were told that the transformer spare capacity was unavailable. If you have a Transformer which supplies your site, and you think that you may need extra capacity in the future, you can apply to have this capacity ring-fenced by paying a retainer every year to the DNO. The NHS Trust had done this but a couple of years back, the bean counters had decided this was a cost they didn't need to pay. Once it is gone, it is gone, and we had to apply for a second HV supply and transformer onto the site to power the small addition at an enormous cost to the NHS and a large charity. You really couldn't make it up. |
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24th Dec 2024 5:10pm |
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