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I still stand by my statement that I genuinely believe that the D5 is objectively the better choice for most people who cross-shop it with the Defender.

dspuk wrote:

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I still stand by my statement that I genuinely believe that the D5 is objectively the better choice for most people who cross-shop it with the Defender.

I've just specced a Disco SE to the same level as my Defender (due for Delivery march next year).

Price is about the same, 1K more on the Disco, but I would imagine a better dealer discount on a Disco vs a Defender.

Prettier inside, for sure, not what I was looking for.

That arse though. Hard pass. I was at Paris Motor Show when it came out. It hasn't aged well. If it wasn't for that i'd be tempted to agree with you, but still buy the Defender...

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still a generally handsome design despite being a bit generic, and has aged well for a design whose concept was revealed back in 2015.

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still a generally handsome design despite being a bit generic, and has aged well for a design whose concept was revealed back in 2015.

With all due respect, the rolling jellybean aesthetic hasn't aged well in my opinion. In a world where every car on the road now is a rolling jellybean crossover, the disco - with its size - stands out as the queen of the crossovers.

If you take a look at the more recent SUV refreshes/releases such as the new LC250 and GX550, you'll see that the rolling jellybean's time has come and gone.

The "rolling jellybean" ain't going anywhere. With CAFE requirements, maximum EV range requirements, and the popularity of the completely stupid coupe-SUV segment, we will be seeing aerodynamic designs like these for years to come.

Design is a very subjective thing, I totally get it. Tailgate aside I don't think the D5 is bad looking. There are a few Discovery design cues that have made it like the stepped roof and tall beltline. Generic? Yes. Boring? Kind of. Ugly? Other than the tailgate, no, I can't really call it "ugly" as there isn't really anything wrong with it.

You want ugly, here you go:


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Click image to enlarge 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟏 𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟏𝟏𝟎 𝐒 𝐏𝟑𝟎𝟎 (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar)
𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟑 𝐏𝐨𝐫𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐚𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐒 (Dolomite Silver over Black/Bordeaux Red)
𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟕 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐜𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐫𝐲 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝐋𝐮𝐱𝐮𝐫𝐲 𝐒𝐢𝟔 (Aintree Green over Vintage Tan/Ebony) - Gone
𝟐𝟎𝟏𝟏 𝐋𝐑𝟒 𝐇𝐒𝐄 𝟓.𝟎 (Ipanema Sand over Almond/Arabica) - Gone

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I still stand by my statement that I genuinely believe that the D5 is objectively the better choice for most people who cross-shop it with the Defender. I get it, the Defender looks better, is marginally more capable and, let's face it - it is just a lot cooler; but the D5 still has its place. It is a better family vehicle even compared to the Defender 130 IMO. It has more cargo space, a much more comfortable (and genuinely usable) third-row, it is noticeably quieter compared to Defender, still the most capable in the segment (excluding the Defender and as long as you have the two-speed transfer case) and has an excellent interior layout with top-notch luxurious materials with borderline Range Rover levels of quality & materials. Not to mention it is an exceptional tow vehicle, and the new Pivi Pro infotainment system is fantastic. I still think the tailgate looks like its having a stroke, but with that exception, it is still a generally handsome design despite being a bit generic, and has aged well for a design whose concept was revealed back in 2015.

I always tell people to go and test drive one, but they always end up with a Defender, a Q7, an Escalade, an X7 or god forbid - a Volvo XC90. I get it - it looks too much like an Explorer, and I'm sure we all agree that the LR4 that came before was a better looking and better had better interior packaging, but I still think that's a rather dumb excuse, but people seem to only buy cars based on looks alone. I wouldn't replace my Defender with another Discovery as the 110 fits my needs perfectly, but the Discovery is still my top choice for a three-row luxury SUV. It really is the full package and those who own or have owned one know that.

I would happily own another D5. In fact, last week I was hauling around six friends on our night out, and I had to have one friend in the cargo area and one sit on her boyfriend's lap. In that moment I wish I still had my D5 or my old LR4.



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Well after my last D4 I went to an XC90, which was excellent with great dealer service. It took me six weeks to finally get rid of it when my Defender arrived because I liked it so much, but I needed proper off road capability, hence keeping the Defender. I did look at a D5 before the XC90 and it just wasn't for me, I did the same again before the Defender and thought nah, then I looked for a third time when getting rid of my Defender and thought nope, still wrong, so bought a late D4 and I'm very happy.

Hopefully Gerry has stayed off Mumsnet for his market research whilst designing the D6. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.

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It is worth noting that JLR are not a volume manufacturer

People always post this on forums....

Exactly how many vehicles does a company need to sell to be a "volume manufacture"?

JLR might not rival the biggest car companies, but they are certainly middle tier. Its not as if we are talking Lotus, Caterham, Gumpert, Lister Bell or some 'true' low volume car maker. Or are you suggesting JLR only has 5 people building half a dozen cars a year in a shed somewhere

2024 JLR sold circa 430,000 cars. In anyones language that is a reasonable amount of volume surely. i.e. if all these cars where to take 10 seconds each to drive past you, you would have to stand there for 50 days straight to see them all.

Subaru where 976,000 for the same period for instance, or are they too not producing any volume?

dspuk wrote:

It is worth noting that JLR are not a volume manufacturer

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People always post this on forums....

CincyRovers1 wrote:

I still stand by my statement that I genuinely believe that the D5 is objectively the better choice for most people who cross-shop it with the Defender. I get it, the Defender looks better, is marginally more capable and, let's face it - it is just a lot cooler; but the D5 still has its place. It is a better family vehicle even compared to the Defender 130 IMO. It has more cargo space, a much more comfortable (and genuinely usable) third-row, it is noticeably quieter compared to Defender, still the most capable in the segment (excluding the Defender and as long as you have the two-speed transfer case) and has an excellent interior layout with top-notch luxurious materials with borderline Range Rover levels of quality & materials. Not to mention it is an exceptional tow vehicle, and the new Pivi Pro infotainment system is fantastic. I still think the tailgate looks like its having a stroke, but with that exception, it is still a generally handsome design despite being a bit generic, and has aged well for a design whose concept was revealed back in 2015.

I always tell people to go and test drive one, but they always end up with a Defender, a Q7, an Escalade, an X7 or god forbid - a Volvo XC90. I get it - it looks too much like an Explorer, and I'm sure we all agree that the LR4 that came before was a better looking and better had better interior packaging, but I still think that's a rather dumb excuse, but people seem to only buy cars based on looks alone. I wouldn't replace my Defender with another Discovery as the 110 fits my needs perfectly, but the Discovery is still my top choice for a three-row luxury SUV. It really is the full package and those who own or have owned one know that.

I would happily own another D5. In fact, last week I was hauling around six friends on our night out, and I had to have one friend in the cargo area and one sit on her boyfriend's lap. In that moment I wish I still had my D5 or my old LR4.



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