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| Mdm Member Since: 11 Sep 2013 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 1623  
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well if you carry on and you any issues lr will wash their hands with glee on the warranty side of things.
if the dash says it needs an oil change then it normally does. a lot of owners who plan on keeping the car will have a yearly oil change as well. the extended service intervals are mainly to get the costs down for leasing companies in 1st three years. you only have to google oil dilution issues or lr engine issues have a look at barum engines on the lr engines they see for the results a lot of ingenium engine rebuild/swap places now recommend 9k oil change as a maximum, same or less on ford and most modern wet belt engines. as these wear it blocks the oil pick up with belt caviar. |
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1st Nov 2024 1:00pm |
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| Mdm Member Since: 11 Sep 2013 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 1623
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https://dieselheads.co.uk/our-engines/land...um-engine/
one of the many many threads on the issues lr has these days |
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1st Nov 2024 1:05pm |
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| DrRob Member Since: 29 Mar 2017 Location: Hampshire Posts: 193
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DPF regen sounds high but are you doing lots of short town journeys? If yes, that's the reason. Not a good plan to choose diesel for those sort of frequent short trips.
Change the oil or risk engine failure. Take it to an independent specialist like Henshall Engineering MY25 90 D350 X-Dynamic HSE in Silicon Silver and coil sprung 1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie" Many Range Rovers and Land Rovers over the years 😂 1949 80" - still in family since 1975 |
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1st Nov 2024 1:13pm |
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| Soup Dragon Member Since: 22 Sep 2023 Location: Cheshire Posts: 86 
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Thanks for all the replies to date.
I have booked the car in for an oil change, not worth ignoring as others say. Speaking to the call centre booking person, an intermediate oil service message is very common. Just disappointing when you read JLRs service recommendations, and then the reality is quite different. To investigate the DPF issue, my local dealer charges £198! If there is a fault, then that’s picked up by the warranty. If it’s found to be normal, then I am out of pocket. That’s why I’m interested in others’ experience. My driving is a good mix. Many longish runs (at least one 80 mile trip each week). And maybe a few 10-15 mile round trips 3-4 times per week. Knowing what I know now, a P400e could have been a good option. But then you can buy a lot of diesel for the £5k list price increase! The link above applied to the old 2 litre engine, mine is a MY24 D250. I hadn’t heard too many issues around this but others may know better. |
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1st Nov 2024 1:33pm |
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| Jim1988 Member Since: 26 Oct 2017 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 248
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Same for my wife’s BMW, just turned 18 months old and done 15000 miles and they robbed me £397 to change the oil oil filter and cabin filters! Although they state 2 years or 18000 miles.. BMW told me it depends how you drive, if you do a lot of short journeys or drive it hard etc it will bring the service forward automatically to help protect the engine!
So guess you just got to pay up if you want the warranty etc! Glad I have an “old landy” so I can do all the work my self! Thanks Jim. |
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1st Nov 2024 2:24pm |
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| Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Woodford Posts: 1107 
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I’m intrigued as to how you know it’s doing a regen? I have a D300 that does a lot of short runs amongst a few longer runs. It’s now done 32k miles. The only way I know a dpf regen is occurring is if I get out and smell the hot exhaust. There is no change to driving.
I’ve never seen a message about dpf, the only message regarding service was when it wanted its 2 year service. I did an oil change myself at 3 years, and expect it to start shouting for its second dealer service in about a month when it comes up to 4 years old. Never seen a request for an oil service. 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy |
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1st Nov 2024 2:38pm |
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| Mdm Member Since: 11 Sep 2013 Location: Sunny Lancashire Posts: 1623
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the whole range of ingenium engine's and anything with a wet belt seem to have issues.
yes the 4 pot lr ones seem to be the worst but a good google will explain all the issues that affect the 4 ad 6 pots. indeed barum engines 6 pot ingenyboom stripdown video was interesteding as was the rebuild cost in the old days when oil was simpler and engine design as well we got used to 3k 6k 9 k intervals. |
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1st Nov 2024 2:56pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2836
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When it's doing a regeneration the idle speed is slightly higher and the stop/start won't work. The instant fuel economy will drop significantly.
Mine only does one every so often, maybe once every few days. l do a lot of short journeys with the odd longer one. lf a regeneration does start, l try to let it complete if possible, which means around 20 minutes of driving. Yours certainly sounds like there's something not right. lf it's doing a regeneration almost every journey it will affect the oil change interval. Mine demanded an oil change at 16,000 miles. l got a local specialist to do it and now it's asking for the first service early, probably due to the short journeys. |
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1st Nov 2024 3:41pm |
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| Soup Dragon Member Since: 22 Sep 2023 Location: Cheshire Posts: 86
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Thanks Lightning, that’s useful info and also my experience.
My experience on how you know regen is happening: - instant mpg halves. So on a flat road on a light throttle where it would normally show 50mpg instant fuel consumption, it shows around 25mpg. When you’d expect 20, it does 10. - start/stop disabled. You notice this at traffic lights - slight change in engine noise (a bit throatier) - smell if you get outside Overall, looking at the drop in mpg for a typical journey, I’d say it’s cost me an extra £250-300 in diesel over the 12k miles since new. The Defender has been great but it would really make me think twice about buying a diesel JLR product again… |
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1st Nov 2024 4:13pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2836
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All new diesels are like this. The Land Rover 3.0 diesel is actually better than most, in that it doesn't suffer badly from oil dilution and the regeneration is hardly noticeable when it happens. The engine is designed around the DPF, which reaches operational temperature very quickly.
Have a look on the VW van forum to see what issues they have with DPF on short journeys. There were also issues with the Ingenium 2.0 as fitted to the Evoque and other LR products. |
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1st Nov 2024 5:36pm |
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| JohnW Member Since: 10 Feb 2023 Location: Melbourne Posts: 2 
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In relation to the service interval of 24 months LR recommend a shorter interval for an arduous cycle of use which includes, amongst other things, frequent short duration trips.
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2nd Nov 2024 10:23am |
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| DFNDER Member Since: 02 Oct 2023 Location: Perth WA Posts: 134
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Drive it like you stole it and take it on a long run, several hundred miles at least. Diesels aren't meant for short trips, unless you leave the engine running all the time. It's why I went for the P400SE, saved some coin on the buy price that im putting towards fuel, and no dpf or fuel dilution issues to worry about.
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2nd Nov 2024 12:39pm |
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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 154
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I would just change oil and filter myself and reset the service. Then take it for the 21k miles service as per Advertisment.
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2nd Nov 2024 1:22pm |
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| F-Typical Member Since: 05 Sep 2024 Location: Hereford Posts: 35
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No car has ever suffered as a result of "too much" servicing (assuming they didn't completely cock it up). Just go and get it done, and have a conversation with JLR as to why it needs it now vs your quoted service interval. Be sure to maximise the value while you're there...  |
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2nd Nov 2024 9:31pm |
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