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lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2748

Commercial status?

Do we have a definitive answer about the status of a Puma Defender "Commercial" with HMRC in the U.K.?

l was looking at a couple today at a LR specialist and he was insistent that the "Commercial" 2.2 Puma 110 SW could be put through a limited company as a Commercial Vehicle.

l am not VAT registered but it would be great if l could claim the tax back on the purchase and pay Commercial BIK

But l've heard differing opinions depending on who you ask. HMRC say a Defender "Station Wagon" is a car.

ls anyone on here actually using theirs as a Commercial Vehicle through a limited company?

The rules are quite complicated.
To get "Commercial" status in the U.K. lneos have had to remove the second row seats in the Grenadier and disable the mountings.

19th Oct 2024 5:38pm

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2144

2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey

Can’t say for definite but MY accountant stated that only the H/T 90, H/T 110 or USW 110 were classified as “commercial” for tax purposes……
The later trucks are all ‘commercial’ for DVLA / road tax purpose

19th Oct 2024 7:09pm

CarMan

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Cotswolds
Posts: 1859

In my opinion and I'm not a tax accountant the 2nd row of seats and windows make the USW not a commercial, though I am sure lots declare it as such and get away with it. Rob

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20th Oct 2024 7:00am

BrickBox

Member Since: 05 Oct 2021
Location: Wales
Posts: 808

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver

That doesn’t make sense as a DCPU has 2nd row seats and windows. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.

20th Oct 2024 11:54am

AMBxx

Member Since: 24 Jul 2016
Location: York
Posts: 1030

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

There's a specific reference to Defender SW in the tax regs. Something about it being a lifestyle vehicle.

20th Oct 2024 12:03pm

NickMc

Member Since: 01 Oct 2014
Location: Norn Iron
Posts: 1624

This topic has been done to death over and over again have a search and you should find plenty of info

20th Oct 2024 12:18pm

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2144

CarMan wrote:
In my opinion and I'm not a tax accountant the 2nd row of seats and windows make the USW not a commercial, though I am sure lots declare it as such and get away with it.

That’s not what my accountant mentioned……he specifically stated the 110 USW was HMRC qualifying

20th Oct 2024 1:35pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2748

NickMc wrote:
This topic has been done to death over and over again have a search and you should find plenty of info

You would think so. But l can't find a definite yes or no as to whether you can put a Defender Utility through a company as a commercial vehicle.
Sure
You could put it through anyway and take a chance on it. But it would be a very big bill if you got checked.

According to the HMRC to be classed as "Commercial" the vehicle has to be "primarily constructed to carry goods"

Even the HMRC website isn't clear on the Defender 2.2/2.4 Commercial. lt states that the Defender Station Wagon is a "car" but doesn't mention the Commercial Station Wagon.

20th Oct 2024 2:27pm

andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 512

"primarily constructed to carry goods"

I have no need to know the answer to the posed question ..but surley if the vehicle V5 states its primarily a light goods vehicle that puts that point to bed..or does it??🤔😂

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20th Oct 2024 2:56pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2748

l will call HMRC on Monday, l've spoken to them before and if l can get through they are usually quite helpful.

20th Oct 2024 4:03pm

AMBxx

Member Since: 24 Jul 2016
Location: York
Posts: 1030

andy63 wrote:
"primarily constructed to carry goods"

I have no need to know the answer to the posed question ..but surley if the vehicle V5 states its primarily a light goods vehicle that puts that point to bed..or does it??🤔😂

That would be far too easy. The Station Wagon has the same status. HMRC don't have the same opinion!

22nd Oct 2024 6:46am

90 Dreamer

Member Since: 13 Jul 2019
Location: Oop North
Posts: 2144

andy63 wrote:
"primarily constructed to carry goods"

I have no need to know the answer to the posed question ..but surley if the vehicle V5 states its primarily a light goods vehicle that puts that point to bed..or does it??🤔😂

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thats purely a DVLA / Road Tax position - nothing to do with VAT or HMRC potential tax issues.........

22nd Oct 2024 7:52am

revd

Member Since: 20 Apr 2024
Location: England
Posts: 110

Can of worms, keeps accountants in a job
N1 or M1 ??

My 2/3 seat 110 HT is N1 but listed as 5 seater on the V5c

HMRC will require you to declare percentage split for private use and business use when offsetting vehicle expenses against tax

22nd Oct 2024 8:46am

andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 512

Points noted👍
But Over my head 😂

22nd Oct 2024 11:24am

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