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jim4244



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Goodyear Wrangler MT/R
Hi All

What are folks thoughts on Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's fitted on a Puma 90?

I have have read conflicting reviews with some people saying that they were fantastic right down to others who replaced them after 2000 miles because they were so bad.

Any thoughts or experiences?

Jim
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BrickBox



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I’d be more cautious buying a set due to how low stock they seem to be these days. Also, the price of them keeps creeping up due to the limited stock. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
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CarMan



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I like the look and don't think them noisy and handle well enough.

Use them off road with my tdi and they're great in my opinion.

I would buy again for sure as I like the OEM look.

Are they still available? Rob

1993 200tdi 90 hard-top
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2016 2.2 XS 90 hard-top (sold)
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Depends on sizes as well bear in mind. Very Happy No Guts, No Glory.
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CarMan



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235/85/16’s for me
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Chicken Drumstick



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Re: Goodyear Wrangler MT/R
jim4244 wrote:
Hi All

What are folks thoughts on Goodyear Wrangler MT/R's fitted on a Puma 90?

I have have read conflicting reviews with some people saying that they were fantastic right down to others who replaced them after 2000 miles because they were so bad.

Any thoughts or experiences?

Jim

The MT/R is a Max Traction Radial. Goodyear do not market it as a mud terrain. In RoW markets the MT/R also looks vastly different.

My Uncle has MT/R's on two 90s from new, as they were factory fit.

In general they look ok, but are very noisey on the road compared to most modern MT patterns. In a Puma they produce a lot of tyre noise. If you have a tdi you may not notice it so much. But they are night and day louder than most other patterns we've used. And we have quite a lot of tyres.

They are pretty terrible in the snow and mostly useless in the mud. However I was very impressed with them laning in Wales on rocky and gravel lanes. They easily surpassed expectations here. To counter this, we were laning in Salisbury Plain for a few days this week. My Jimny was on Maxxis AT tyres and I could turn out of the ruts fine, as could the other 2 Land Rovers with us. My Uncle on the MT/Rs complained that it wouldn't turn out of the ruts at all. It was wet and muddy everywhere.

Personally unless they are super cheap, I'd say there are better road tyres, better off road tyres and better tyres that do a combination of the two.
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jim4244



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Thanks for all the input guys.

My driving tends to be 90% road with 10% farm track or green lane. From reviews and owners firsthand experiences they don't appear to be that great on the road on either dru or wet roads.

I have a few other options so I'll research those.

Jim
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CarMan



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Watching with interest what you go for
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jim4244



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CarMan - My last 2 defenders were running on Continental Cross Contacts, which I never had any problems with. Were great on road and fairly quiet. Good in the wet and OK in snow. For the light green laning I do they were more than up to the task.

Jim
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Chicken Drumstick



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jim4244 wrote:
Thanks for all the input guys.

My driving tends to be 90% road with 10% farm track or green lane. From reviews and owners firsthand experiences they don't appear to be that great on the road on either dru or wet roads.

I have a few other options so I'll research those.

Jim

If you got on well with the Cross Contacts then an AT is probably all you need tbh.

In fact most tyres are pretty good these days. It’s only when you push to the limits that you generally see differences. The MT/R would be ok. But noise is something you will notice with them. Esp if you ever get the chance to do back to back tests.

For what you are describing I’d say have a look at the Maxxis Wormdrive. I have these on 2 vehicles and have got on really well with them. On and off road.

I also think the Toyo Open Country AT3 is a nice tyre for all round use.

Many MT patterns can be daily driver friendly. But in a Puma, which are typically more refined than earlier models. You’ll notice an MT pattern more so on the road.
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I had a couple of sets on my 110 (originals bought from Walfy on here)

Yes they're quite noisy.. think XZL ish

Grip: excellent, really good in the mud (I had 235/85/16)

I later traded to a set of Continental CC's (again a factory fit) as I was doing more and more road mileage.

These were also pretty good off road (for general laning) nothing like the MTR's but they did perform well, and were almost silent compared to the Goodyears.

I'd have the MTR's again if I had a play-truck which didn'd do loads of road miles (or had good soundproofing)
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Chicken Drumstick



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I can only see them being claimed as good in the mud if you are comparing to road tyres and haven't tried many other tread patterns out.

Have you driven with many other tyres or had a group of vehicles together? I've seen people running MT/R's at RTV trials events and have failed to reach the start gate, while others drive the section no problem.

There really are much better "mud" tyres IMO. I'd say some ATs even perform better in mud. Although as said above, I was impressed with how the MT/R performed on rocks and gravel. But aligns more with how they are marketed too.

Between my Uncle, brother and I we have a shed full of tyres or on vehicle. Amongst them there are BFG KM2's, KM3's, Ko2, Maxxis Wormdrives, General Grabber X3's, Kuhmo MT51, Toyo MT, Toyo Open Country AT3, Yokohama Geolandar X-MT, Michelin XZL, Cooper SST and some Fedima, Blackstar Guyanne, Ziarelli and Insa Turbo remould mud tyres such as diamonds, the classic Geolander pattern and Simex Extreme Trekker copies. And probably some I've forgotten about.

Out of the Mud Terrain patterns the original Cooper SST is the worse, but very nice on road and worked pretty good in the snow. Then I'd rank the Toyo MT and MT/R as joint 2nd worst in mud. The Toyo is probably slightly better in fairness and is a lot less noisy on road.

All of the other MT's are far superior in the mud compared to the MT/R's, especially the KM3's and the Yokohama X-MT is better than most of the extreme remould patterns in the mud.
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custom90



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If you use MTR’s on the road, they’ll be fine for most things just go easy in the wet, extreme caution in snow and ice.
MTR’s will lock up in the wet under heavy braking and slide, so for example in lanes especially wet and mucky on road take it easy but personally that’s the speeds Defenders are best suited to anyway, plus the fact others don’t get the memo to drive sensibly in the wet.

I agree with above though, there are a lot better tyres out there.

With 235’s there is quite a selection to chose from, 255’s it’s mainly Toyo a bud BFG I think.

There is Maxxis and Mickey Tompsons too, but they are a bit more specialist. No Guts, No Glory.
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jim4244 wrote:
Thanks for all the input guys.

My driving tends to be 90% road with 10% farm track or green lane. From reviews and owners firsthand experiences they don't appear to be that great on the road on either dru or wet roads.

I have a few other options so I'll research those.

Jim


Have a look at BFG Trail Terrain. Also Pirelli Scorpion ATP. WARNING.
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