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| LR90XS2011 Member Since: 05 Apr 2011 Location: bickenhill Posts: 3645   
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https://www.change.org/p/stop-intrusive-na...-in-the-uk DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,
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17th Oct 2024 7:32pm |
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| JPE Member Since: 19 Nov 2018 Location: South West England Posts: 335 
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Wouldn't a pay per mile approach be a fairer system & better for the planet?
I use public transport during the week for work & enjoy my defender at weekends and for trips away. I choose to use public transport, even though its less convenient for me. Surely someone driving 20k miles a year should pay more than someone doing 3k a year? |
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17th Oct 2024 8:41pm |
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| JPE Member Since: 19 Nov 2018 Location: South West England Posts: 335
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That's a fair point, it does disadvantage anyone who lives in a more remote location.
I live in a fairly rural area, but at the end of a bus route so I'm fortunate to have the option. |
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17th Oct 2024 9:07pm |
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| RFT Member Since: 13 Nov 2010 Location: Cheshire Posts: 681 
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We have a well established pay per litre scheme in the UK, its a combination of fuel duty plus VAT. 130 Puma HCPU with an Artica 240LR Demountable Camper
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17th Oct 2024 9:08pm |
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| bankz5152 Member Since: 02 Feb 2017 Location: South London/North Kent Posts: 2183 
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Thing is its not just rural. Its vast amounts of England and the majority of Wales and Scotland. I live near Gatwick, parents in Bromley. Theres no direct public transport links and its hideously expensive and inconvenient. So yeah Ill drive every time. Not only that I dont have to deal with some yob playing music on his phone or vomit on the floor. Sorry but for the cost of public transport in the UK its horrendous. Id rather drive a 4 mpg petrol... Instagram @defender_ventures Empire Tuning - Agent |
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17th Oct 2024 9:11pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20454
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What about those who don’t want to go to the city for any reason, not all of us want to go on trains or busses for any reason.
Simply live in rural areas that stay out the city, and only go to out of town shops and that is all. This is because they want to try to force those that don’t want the city, to go in it, because they want to make money upon that “entry” into it. I think how pensioners (I am not one) are being treated as well is truly disgraceful, in many ways especially this winter. Such as the winter fuel payments etc. Mind you they want to make the U.K. a concrete jungle… Just my views. No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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17th Oct 2024 9:12pm |
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| bankz5152 Member Since: 02 Feb 2017 Location: South London/North Kent Posts: 2183
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Very good point.
Though didnt say I lived in a city, I hate London. I only go to see family, otherwise avoid it at all costs. I live in a smallish town, moving soon to a smaller town to be more away from people  Instagram @defender_ventures
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17th Oct 2024 9:23pm |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20454
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Away from people is good.
No Guts, No Glory.
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17th Oct 2024 9:51pm |
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| Procta Member Since: 03 Dec 2016 Location: Sunderland Posts: 5197
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yeah, i stay well clear of my city centre not for the fact i hate shopping, its more down to the fact its got nothing worth going down there for. Sunderland has yet to enforce anything yet, which is a good thing, because if they did, it would kill what ever is left there instantly. we dont have any major shops now since M&S flew the nest, and Wilo's which was the busy part of the area went bust. So its a ghost town. If anything its all a massive scam, like the go diesel thing back in the 2000s, then they wound the price of diesel and blared up the road tax. Repeated it again 10 years ago with the hybrid and low emission stuff. We all just need to have a strike and say no we are not paying, we are taxed more than enough on everything. pensioners get the mick took out of them regardless, my dads state pension will not keep the house let a lone him, My mam is the one that is the main bread maker now, as well as me, i cannot afford to move out, and i am still single. If anything major goes wrong, with the house, i think it would be me that would end up paying for it. ( i am still young enough to get loans) Everyone needs to just down tools and say no, but no one will, they can protest as much as they like down London, and have as many online petitions but they will not listen, We need to bring stuff to a complete stand still for things to change. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back Success is 90% Inspiration and 4 minutes Preparation # you can make it! |
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19th Oct 2024 1:43am |
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| bankz5152 Member Since: 02 Feb 2017 Location: South London/North Kent Posts: 2183
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Couldnt agree more. Instagram @defender_ventures
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19th Oct 2024 8:36am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2644  
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How long will it be before people stop going to the dentist, the doctors, the hospital for themselves or to visit relatives or friends.
There could be some real health problems off the back of this due to increasing costs, attacks on personal transport, crap expensive and unreliable public transport and union backed strikes. And did you read about Paris in the week, they want to ban the sale of diesel at the fuel pumps. How long before Saddam Khan copies that idea. And let’s be honest and non pc, its feck all to do with the planet that has been round for approximately 4.5 billion years and will be here fo the same time after we have left it, this is a tax to pay for the unwanted that are getting more than those that are retired and payed into the system. |
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19th Oct 2024 9:47am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3321 
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This is proper ‘…shouting at the clouds’ stuff. 10 years ago Boris Johnson proposed ‘pay by mile’ when he was London mayor. Sadiq Khan then cancelled it and ruled out ever introducing such a charge. It was a completely bonkers scheme by an utterly bonkers politician. Think about it for a minute. Why would anyone introduce a pay by mile scheme in city? It’s 25 miles long and 35 wide, most Londoners barely travel a few miles per day. Much more sensible to keep the congestion charge.
On a national level there have been no government proposals as far as I know, only talk from ‘Think tanks’ with various axes to grind. If/when EV’s completely take over any government will need to look at recouping lost fuel tax revenue but that isn’t happening anytime soon. There are plenty of things to campaign about but this isn’t one of them. Also, who wrote that petition? It looks like it was worded by a 5 year old, and not a bright one at that. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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19th Oct 2024 9:50am |
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| custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20454
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You gotta watch out for those vigilante bicycle riders with cameras on them, they go out vehicle hunting on the suburbs for the sake of it.
There was one on the TV last night on the news. Meanwhile common sense gets less common, nothing much changes there. 
It’s almost as if they want to dice with death, I think that’s why many do. I can understand some places, but riding bikes at 40mph down twisting rural A roads amongst national speed traffic is madness to me. And if they come off they’ll need skin graphs and all sorts, that’s if they survived just seems madness to me. Makes me cringe Ti sort of injuries that can be obtained. Then there is the E bike brigade, that seem confused as to what they actually between bike rider or motorcycle, but certainly, can fatally kill somone hitting them at speed with their modded electric motors. No Guts, No Glory. 🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴🇮🇪🇺🇸⛽️🛢️⚙️🧰💪 |
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19th Oct 2024 12:29pm |
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| Jabberwocky Member Since: 27 Oct 2021 Location: Luxembourg Posts: 223 
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Any system that is based in usage is by far the best. Use it more, pay more. The fair way. Alas it’s got nothing to do with fairness, it’s all about raking in the most money. Same with council tax, if it was a fair system a family of 2 would pay significantly less than a family of 5, but apparently that’s ’not Fair’🤷♂️
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21st Oct 2024 3:13pm |
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