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andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 531

Well I was thinking if you had trained as a gynecologist, you might stand a chance😁

9th Oct 2024 6:00pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6300

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Randlover wrote:
Can't be done can it no way

of course it can - take the engine and gearbox out

(no malice intended

)

10th Oct 2024 9:12am

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 486

Re: Transfer gearbox hot after motorway drive & new mt82

andy63 wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
Randlover wrote:
How normal or abnormal is it for motorway driving circa 40 miles at 70mph (not towing)
Just had the mt82 output shaft kit replaced with new oem
(Old was fine at 107k crazy heh?!)
And a frame ball joint - assuming this is what had solved my clunk sounds

Stopped for some fuel and could smell something was warm - popped underneath and transfer box felt hot not scalding but hot- I did all Fluids about 2 months ago nothing scary in any of them nor were they that dirty. How much oil will they have likely lost replacing the mt82 output shaft? They said they replaced 2x felt seals on some drive "members" while in there also?! Maybe just the newness 😆
The transfer box doesn't need to be removed to change the output shaft so the oil doesn't have to be drained or lost. Obviously you would expect the level to be checked as a matter of course on completion of the job.

Have you actually done the gearbox output shaft with the transfare box in place...??🤔😳

Last edited by Linds Hanson on 10th Oct 2024 10:12am. Edited 3 times in total

10th Oct 2024 9:38am

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 486

andy63 wrote:
Well I was thinking if you had trained as a gynecologist, you might stand a chance😁

10th Oct 2024 9:41am

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 486

Re: Transfer gearbox hot after motorway drive & new mt82

[quote="Linds Hanson"]

andy63 wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
Randlover wrote:
How normal or abnormal is it for motorway driving circa 40 miles at 70mph (not towing)
Just had the mt82 output shaft kit replaced with new oem
(Old was fine at 107k crazy heh?!)
And a frame ball joint - assuming this is what had solved my clunk sounds

Stopped for some fuel and could smell something was warm - popped underneath and transfer box felt hot not scalding but hot- I did all Fluids about 2 months ago nothing scary in any of them nor were they that dirty. How much oil will they have likely lost replacing the mt82 output shaft? They said they replaced 2x felt seals on some drive "members" while in there also?! Maybe just the newness 😆
The transfer box doesn't need to be removed to change the output shaft so the oil doesn't have to be drained or lost. Obviously you would expect the level to be checked as a matter of course on completion of the job.

Have you actually done the gearbox output shaft with the transfare box in place. and reassemble.

10th Oct 2024 10:10am

Linds Hanson

Member Since: 16 Jan 2021
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 486

Re: Transfer gearbox hot after motorway drive & new mt82

[quote="Linds Hanson"]

andy63 wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
Randlover wrote:
How normal or abnormal is it for motorway driving circa 40 miles at 70mph (not towing)
Just had the mt82 output shaft kit replaced with new oem
(Old was fine at 107k crazy heh?!)
And a frame ball joint - assuming this is what had solved my clunk sounds

Stopped for some fuel and could smell something was warm - popped underneath and transfer box felt hot not scalding but hot- I did all Fluids about 2 months ago nothing scary in any of them nor were they that dirty. How much oil will they have likely lost replacing the mt82 output shaft? They said they replaced 2x felt seals on some drive "members" while in there also?! Maybe just the newness 😆
The transfer box doesn't need to be removed to change the output shaft so the oil doesn't have to be drained or lost. Obviously you would expect the level to be checked as a matter of course on completion of the job.

Have you actually done the gearbox output shaft with the transfare box in place...??🤔😳

10th Oct 2024 10:11am

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6300

Re: Transfer gearbox hot after motorway drive & new mt82

Linds Hanson wrote:
andy63 wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
Randlover wrote:
How normal or abnormal is it for motorway driving circa 40 miles at 70mph (not towing)
Just had the mt82 output shaft kit replaced with new oem
(Old was fine at 107k crazy heh?!)
And a frame ball joint - assuming this is what had solved my clunk sounds

Stopped for some fuel and could smell something was warm - popped underneath and transfer box felt hot not scalding but hot- I did all Fluids about 2 months ago nothing scary in any of them nor were they that dirty. How much oil will they have likely lost replacing the mt82 output shaft? They said they replaced 2x felt seals on some drive "members" while in there also?! Maybe just the newness 😆
The transfer box doesn't need to be removed to change the output shaft so the oil doesn't have to be drained or lost. Obviously you would expect the level to be checked as a matter of course on completion of the job.

Have you actually done the gearbox output shaft with the transfare box in place...??🤔😳

sounds like you know what you're doing.

I aint got a scooby doo but suspect the engine out option would also work

10th Oct 2024 10:13am

andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 531

a remarkable feat then

so you have managed to remove the gearbox output shaft as pictured...

Click image to enlarge

through this opening, which normally has an oil seal in place at the gearbox end but is removed in this photo..but as you suggest has the cover and input gears removed..and of course there is the extension piece that connects the two boxes together to add to the distance and difficulty

Click image to enlarge
Edit...
Ahhh I see there is a bit of editing going on earlier posts which may make my post look a bit odd..
I'll leave it in place anyway👍

10th Oct 2024 10:29am

Randlover

Member Since: 03 Sep 2024
Location: Gloucester
Posts: 28

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

Re: Transfer gearbox hot after motorway drive & new mt82

Caterham wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
andy63 wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
Randlover wrote:
How normal or abnormal is it for motorway driving circa 40 miles at 70mph (not towing)
Just had the mt82 output shaft kit replaced with new oem
(Old was fine at 107k crazy heh?!)
And a frame ball joint - assuming this is what had solved my clunk sounds

Stopped for some fuel and could smell something was warm - popped underneath and transfer box felt hot not scalding but hot- I did all Fluids about 2 months ago nothing scary in any of them nor were they that dirty. How much oil will they have likely lost replacing the mt82 output shaft? They said they replaced 2x felt seals on some drive "members" while in there also?! Maybe just the newness 😆
The transfer box doesn't need to be removed to change the output shaft so the oil doesn't have to be drained or lost. Obviously you would expect the level to be checked as a matter of course on completion of the job.

Have you actually done the gearbox output shaft with the transfare box in place...??🤔😳

sounds like you know what you're doing.
I aint got a scooby doo but suspect the engine out option would also work

😆🤣😆

10th Oct 2024 12:10pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17443

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Something very strange has started to happen in this thread!

I think we can say with certainty that (1) the shaft cannot be changed without separating the transfer box and gearbox and (2) the only practicable way to do this on an assembled vehicle involves the removal from the vehicle of the transfer box.

I seriously doubt that it is possible to remove the engine and gearbox together as a single complete unit unless the body has been removed from the chassis, and whilst it would probably be possible to remove the engine followed by the gearbox this would be an incomprehensible and awkward approach.

10th Oct 2024 12:47pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6300

.....and whilst it would probably be possible to remove the engine followed by the gearbox this would be an incomprehensible and awkward approach.

I completely agree. I was simply offering an option for replacement while keeping the transfer box insitu

10th Oct 2024 2:21pm

andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 531

blackwolf wrote:
Something very strange has started to happen in this thread!

I think we can say with certainty that (1) the shaft cannot be changed without separating the transfer box and gearbox and (2) the only practicable way to do this on an assembled vehicle involves the removal from the vehicle of the transfer box.

I seriously doubt that it is possible to remove the engine and gearbox together as a single complete unit unless the body has been removed from the chassis, and whilst it would probably be possible to remove the engine followed by the gearbox this would be an incomprehensible and awkward approach.

What I've been saying in the politest possible way..or trying to👍😊..
Not because I know defenders inside out..but because I have been there and done that in this case..

10th Oct 2024 2:48pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8051

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

blackwolf wrote:

I seriously doubt that it is possible to remove the engine and gearbox together as a single complete unit unless the body has been removed from the chassis,

as an aside this is possible. engine, gbox and tbox i took out of my 2.4 as one lift. bonnet, radiator and front grill removed. rest of body in place.

Click image to enlarge Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

10th Oct 2024 3:19pm

andy63

Member Since: 30 Jun 2023
Location: north east
Posts: 531

😲
Now that's a mean crane..and lift
Did they all go back in the same way..ie together??👍

10th Oct 2024 4:04pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17443

jst wrote:
...
as an aside this is possible. engine, gbox and tbox i took out of my 2.4 as one lift. bonnet, radiator and front grill removed. rest of body in place.

...

I remember that photo from an earlier occasion when you posted it, and I know that the whole thing can be removed in that way (although I am not sure I'd like to try it). However, is there enough clearance to allow the output shaft to disengage from the transfer box before the engine hits the No2 crossmember or the gearbox hits the bulkhead if the engine is raised? I am not convinced that the transfer-box could be left in situ and the engine and gearbox removed forwards. Equally I am not convinced it is impossible.

For your next challenge...

10th Oct 2024 4:10pm

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