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lightning



Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
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United Kingdom 
Automatic headlights
l am starting a new post about this to see if there are any updates.

Has anyone found a way with the GAP tool, to be able to turn this feature off? Not the DRL's as it's illegal in the U.K. to drive without them on a new car.

The automatic headlights.
On a dull day l have to turn on my headlights because if l don't, every time l drive under trees, a bridge, tall buildings the damn headlights come on. And then straightaway turn off again once back in the open.

And more than once l've had the driver in front gesture as to "what the problem is" as they think l am flashing my lights.

Also l can't select "sidelights" unless l am stationary. And then when l start moving they damn well turn themselves off again.

ls there anything in the software to change this, there's dozens of headlights settings.

l seriously considered installing a white LED in the windscreen sensor housing to make the system think it's sunny all the time.


On our 2020 Jimny you can select "auto" or "manual" headlights so it wasn't a legal fitment in 2020.
Post #1047017 27th Sep 2024 6:54pm
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lrFFM



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Can't you just turn them off with the light switch?
Post #1047043 28th Sep 2024 12:36am
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DFNDER



Member Since: 02 Oct 2023
Location: Perth WA
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Australia 
On my 23.5 L663, you turn the knob on the end of the left hand stalk away from you (ccw when viewing thr stalk from the left, end on). It's a spring return switch so it returns to its home position. If you turn it only partway, it will turn on the headlights. If you turn it fully away from yourself, this turns the headlights to auto. If you switch the engine off, it defaults back to auto. Look at the markings on the stalk. There's also a collar ring immediately to the right of the end that controls the front and rear foglights. Turning away from you for the front, turning towards you for the rear. Interestingly, when in auto headlight mode and you turn the front foglights on, the headlights default to "on". In the dash display the icon for auto headlights is usually white, turns blue when high beams are on. When not in auto, this icon turns green. Fog light status is shown in the rhs of the display yellow or white for front, green for rear.


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Headlight on, not in auto mode


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Stalk, auto mode is last


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Fog lights on F and R


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Headlights in auto mode

It should be the same in yours. I usually drive with the headlights in 'on' mode for the same reasons as you mentioned, auto at night, as I love the matrix headlights.
Post #1047046 28th Sep 2024 2:08am
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lightning



Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
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Thank you for the comprehensive reply.

I can turn the headlights on manually as you say, and then they stay on all the time for that journey. lf they are not turned on, there's no way to stop them from coming on if you drive under trees and it's dull. (not sunny)

l can turn everything off by moving the outer stalk switch away from me, as you suggest. But it turns itself back on to "Auto" as soon as you start to drive.

l can also turn on the side lights while stationary. But they turn themselves off again as soon as l start to drive, and it reverts to "Auto".

l realise it's to stop people forgetting to turn on their lights at night. But it's really annoying sometimes. Mainly on days when it's not sunny.

What l want to be able to do, is turn off the Auto headlights (without having to turn them to "on") so l just have DRL's
And not have the headlights coming on every time l drive under trees in the daytime.


Last edited by lightning on 29th Sep 2024 12:18pm. Edited 1 time in total
Post #1047071 28th Sep 2024 8:45am
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carltb



Member Since: 06 Oct 2023
Location: Sweden
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 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey
I have driven quite a few new defenders and I feel that some are more sensitive than others when it comes to turning on the headlamps. My new MY25 is way more sensitive than my MY24 was. Don't know why this is or if there is a sensitivity setting hidden in the CCF but they should have the same setting if that was the case, so again, don't know why. 2025 Defender 130 V8
2025 Defender 90 D250 (wifes)
2024 Defender 110 p400e HSE (sold)
2015 Defender 110 Double cab
2004 Defender 90 Td5
Post #1047131 28th Sep 2024 7:47pm
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DrRob



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Is the light sensor on top of the dashboard? If so, throw something that will block light over it and then your lights will come on every time maybe??? MY25 90 D350 X-Dynamic HSE in Silicon Silver and coil sprung
1974 Series 3 Lightweight = "Millie"
Many Range Rovers and Land Rovers over the years ๐Ÿ˜‚
1949 80" - still in family since 1975
Post #1047132 28th Sep 2024 7:55pm
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lightning



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l did think of doing that!

The light sensor must be adjustable because windscreen suppliers are able to calibrate it when they fit a new screen.
Post #1047182 29th Sep 2024 12:21pm
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carltb



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 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey
Tried asking the gap tool chat gpt but no luck. Itโ€™s usually really good so maybe I was asking incorrectly.

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-U7gyA4J3E-gap-iid-...a4916fe9f7

Edit:
Gave this reply when I rephrased

โ€œHowever, settings related to automatic lighting features can potentially be adjusted. Here are a couple of relevant settings:

Automatic Headlight Control (related to the light sensor)
MultiCAN-504 Auto Lights Sensitivity
Standard: Default
Change to: Higher sensitivity (possible on some models)
MultiCAN-466 Light Sensor Sensitivity
Adjusts the sensitivity for auto lights based on ambient light.
These settings aren't typically listed in the default GAP Tool configurations, but if you're looking to tweak the behavior of the automatic headlight feature or similar, these could be involved.โ€œ 2025 Defender 130 V8
2025 Defender 90 D250 (wifes)
2024 Defender 110 p400e HSE (sold)
2015 Defender 110 Double cab
2004 Defender 90 Td5
Post #1047192 29th Sep 2024 1:15pm
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Down & Dirty



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Have a look at multi can 633
May be able to turn it off๐Ÿค”๐Ÿ‘ My 24 HSE X-Dynamic 90 Carpathian Grey
Post #1047195 29th Sep 2024 1:40pm
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lightning



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l will take a look, thank you.

l'll report back.
Post #1047224 29th Sep 2024 5:51pm
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blackwolf



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Can someone remind me why we need automatic headlights? We never used to have these problems when we had an on/off switch. Laughing
Post #1047243 29th Sep 2024 10:18pm
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Moo



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Ukraine 
It's because people forget they only have DRLs on! Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
Post #1047244 29th Sep 2024 11:03pm
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CincyRovers1



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Not sure how it is in the UK, but in the US, when the I have my side lights activated, the front DRLs and taillights are activated, and when the vehicle is put in park, the front DRLs dim, and when you put it in gear, they brighten up to the standard level. ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ ๐ƒ๐ž๐Ÿ๐ž๐ง๐๐ž๐ซ ๐Ÿ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ ๐’ ๐๐Ÿ‘๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ (Pangea Green over Acorn/Lunar)
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Post #1047298 30th Sep 2024 4:40pm
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blackwolf



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Moo wrote:
It's because people forget they only have DRLs on!


So a complex and annoying attempted solution to a problem that didn't exist until someone had a daft idea to try to mitigate incompetence! A metaphor for modern life really. Crying or Very sad
Post #1047303 30th Sep 2024 5:31pm
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Retroanaconda



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blackwolf wrote:
We never used to have these problems when we had an on/off switch. Laughing


Because itโ€™s well known that nobody ever forgot to turn their lights on in the days of manual switchesโ€ฆ Laughing
Post #1047306 30th Sep 2024 5:39pm
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