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Procta



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yeah i mentioned this after the bank hol, i make some of the plastics for these, and its had a right knock on effect. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Re: Production halted
familymad wrote:
I think that might be the sign of the end.


Sales dropped by 50%

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post1041323.html#1041323
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Has Ineos released sales figures for the Grenadier?

I was just wondering what 50% looks like?
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https://www.linforme.com/transports-auto/a..._1888.html
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Thanks Thumbs Up

I can only read a bit of it as it requires a subscription, but I get the idea from the first few lines.
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Re: Production halted
Julie wrote:
familymad wrote:
I think that might be the sign of the end.


Sales dropped by 50%

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post1041323.html#1041323


Coincided with the £15,000 price increase. That was always going to hurt sales. Cheapest Grenadier now £65,000 and cheapest five seat version nearly £75,000

Out of reach for many. Can you afford to spend £75,000 on a vehicle?
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I couldn’t imagine even considering spending £75K to buy a Grenadier. If I had £75K, I would not be buying either a Grenadier or a Defender. If the car you drive equals what you can afford to pay back each month either via a loan or PCP, good luck to you. You either have a lot more disposable income than me, you are less tight than me, or you are just going to be working until you are 80 Rolling with laughter
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Rashers wrote:
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You're welcome.

To summarize :

Thé workers discovered that they're @ 1/3 of their objectives.
They stopped thé R&D of thé electric version.

https://www.lasemaine.fr/moselle-ineos-gre...obscurcit/

Everybody knows thar thé Defender L318 didn't reach objectives. Hère in France you have to pay a CO2 ans weighr tax of 40 000 bucks if you want to register a Grenadier (5 seater. Thé van (2seats) is exempt. In other countries you're also punished for high CO2 émissions

Big offroad véhicules represent a small market. They became toys for rich people.

I think Land Rover know about it.
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Very few people actually need a 4x4 (that includes myself).

But I don’t need a dog - and somehow I have two of those Rolling with laughter
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Re: Production halted
lightning wrote:
Julie wrote:
familymad wrote:
I think that might be the sign of the end.


Sales dropped by 50%

https://www.defender2.net/forum/post1041323.html#1041323


Coincided with the £15,000 price increase. That was always going to hurt sales. Cheapest Grenadier now £65,000 and cheapest five seat version nearly £75,000

Out of reach for many. Can you afford to spend £75,000 on a vehicle?


Not so much the retail price but the residuals that matter in a market place dominated by pcp. That’s why JLR manage to shift 114,000 Defenders last year, (I don’t recall the Classic Defender ever reaching 30,000/year) modern motor manufacturers are primarily finance houses - that’s where the real battle between the Grenadier and LR is
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Grenadier 5000 units p.a. If production continues if not 3000 in 2024

New Def 114 000 units as you state. Could you honestly compare ?

I cannot imagine à battle. That would be thé suicide of INEOS. Their position is far too worse.
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Is a Grenadier a tempting buy virtually new at around £50k which they seem to be near me from the local 'main' dealer - or will prices plummet further or become vehicle hard to maintain unless diy Confused Rob

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Julie wrote:
Grenadier 5000 units p.a. If production continues if not 3000 in 2024

New Def 114 000 units as you state. Could you honestly compare ?

I cannot imagine à battle. That would be thé suicide of INEOS. Their position is far too worse.


Ineos remind me of Lotus before Geeley
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blackwolf wrote:
Other seats are available, I am sure that even if Recaro's problems cannot be resolved an alternative will be found.

There must be other manufacturers using Recaro seats which now face a similar dilemma.


JLR have also mothballed too i think due to this too, we have got a contract for a new Back board for JLR's range rover, as i was one of the lads that did the trial run, and then made a stack load of two weeks ago. So i am suspecting the same for IENOS with another manufacture. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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I was told Jaguar have ceased production in their run up to becoming a car manufacturer who is trying to compete with Aston Martin.

Like Aston Martin is a financial success story to follow Rolling with laughter Now all they need is an American billionaire to bank roll them.
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