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familymad



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Production halted
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/cars/news/jim-ra...r-AA1qR2MK

I think that might be the sign of the end. Such low rates of people purchasing and your suppliers can’t make money. 1951 80" S1 2.0
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blackwolf



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Other seats are available, I am sure that even if Recaro's problems cannot be resolved an alternative will be found.

There must be other manufacturers using Recaro seats which now face a similar dilemma.
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overstocked at dealers, probably a useful interruption to production
In the old Leyland days the management would agitate a strike to halt production
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Rashers



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But quite a headache in a modern designed car.

If you have designed your wagon to have a certain design seat, I would imagine trying to get another seat to fit with similar fixings and dimmensions would be a nightmare of a job.

Would they then need to do crash testing? Or am I over thinking the issue and it will be a quick phone call to Mick's Seats on a trading estate in Slough who will just tool up and make a replacement?

As Blackwolf says, this can't just be an Ineos problem?
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Rashers



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revd wrote:
overstocked at dealers, probably a useful interruption to production
In the old Leyland days the management would agitate a strike to halt production


The French love a good strike Thumbs Up
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Zed



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Rashers wrote:
But quite a headache in a modern designed car.

If you have designed your wagon to have a certain design seat, I would imagine trying to get another seat to fit with similar fixings and dimmensions would be a nightmare of a job.

Would they then need to do crash testing? Or am I over thinking the issue and it will be a quick phone call to Mick's Seats on a trading estate in Slough who will just tool up and make a replacement?

As Blackwolf says, this can't just be an Ineos problem?


There are plenty of suppliers with type approved seats available. As others have suggested this sounds more like a useful excuse to deal with oversupply. WARNING.
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Rashers



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Fair comment, Zed.

So if it is over-supply, what is the general view of things improving?

The Grenadier is a niche vehicle. Do you think it has just got to saturation point and everyone who wants one has one? Or has it missed the people who Ineos originally imagined would own it?
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lt's because Recaro have gone into Administration. They'll be back up and running by Christmas. Too much investment to sack it now.
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Well he could sell that second rate football club and buy Recaro.... Whistle
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Rashers



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Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter

Recaro would be a lot cheaper Laughing
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I wouldn't crow. I'm still waiting for some of the missing bits on my Defender nearly two years after picking it up.... Rolling Eyes Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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lightning wrote:
lt's because Recaro have gone into Administration. They'll be back up and running by Christmas. Too much investment to sack it now.


Although Recaro has put itself into voluntary administration, it has engaged the services of Baker Tilly, an extremely well-known and well-respected firm. A statement on Baker Tilly's german website states, inter alia:

    "The traditional Swabian company, which has run into financial difficulties, intends to use this procedure under judicial supervision to strengthen its regional and global position on its own and with the support of Baker Tilly.

    By taking advantage of the opportunities offered by German insolvency law, Recaro intends to work closely together as a team with employees, suppliers and customers and expects to soon be back on solid economic footing with the help of an appropriate insolvency plan.    "


Either Recaro is wildly optimistic (which is unlikely to be the case with Baker Tilly onboard) or we can soon expect further announcements of a more encouraging nature.

I note also that BBS, one of the world's most prolific alloy wheel manufacturers, and supplier of many of the world's OE wheels, has also filed for bankruptcy.
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Rashers



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Moo wrote:
I wouldn't crow. I'm still waiting for some of the missing bits on my Defender nearly two years after picking it up.... Rolling Eyes


Jim is still looking for a team and manager that can win them the Premiership Rolling with laughter
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lightning



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Stopping production would be expensive for lneos. They'll still have to pay all their staff, and suppliers etc.
lt will also have a knock on effect in their suppliers, they may lose some of them.
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Rashers



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You can just see the fall out from ISG construction going belly up yesterday how the supply chain will stick with a company, even when they are not getting paid and clinging to a promise of getting payed next month (and all the signs were there that it would probably bring in the receivers).

I’m not suggesting that Ineos Grenadier are anywhere close to calling in the receivers, but I would think that most of their suppliers will stick with them unless financially it takes them under.
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