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revd Member Since: 20 Apr 2024 Location: England Posts: 132 |
Critically no oil pressure means the loss of the oil film on the crank journals and big ends every time stop-start is used resulting in metal-metal contact
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4th Sep 2024 6:15am |
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lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2847 |
l don't use the stop/start. l don't like it and also think it's not good for the engine.
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4th Sep 2024 6:48am |
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lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2847 |
On the new Defender? Just put a probe with a camera in via the oil filler. |
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4th Sep 2024 6:52am |
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ruben Member Since: 04 Feb 2021 Location: ASTURIAS Posts: 204 |
Hello, with my little criteria I think 2 things about the use of the S / S, 1. - that the lack of pressure in the oil pump seems insignificant in an engine that has already been running and therefore has its lubrication ducts full, I have already said that the car when it is cold, at least mine, does not activate the S / S system. 2. - that the distribution chain does not have to make any additional over effort, it simply does its job which compensates for the moments when it is stopped thanks to the S / S system. ... and in any case you always have to value the moments in which the engine saves hours of operation and fuel ... I am not an immobilist in my life, I USE IT CONTINUOUSLY AND LET THE CAR MANAGE IT. Defender 110 SE I6 D250 23MY ExDiscovery 3 TDV6 SE |
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4th Sep 2024 7:08am |
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XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 489 |
Hypothetically, if a Def never did more than 10 miles a trip for 21k miles, could DPF Regen diesel dilution cause the thickening of the oil like this?
FACT: We know that the owner ignored at least one service warning - if they haven't had it done in 3 years. So too could they have ignored the oil change warning due to dilution. You could easily imagine a situation where the RR was used for longer journeys and at the weekends. So the poor Def may only ever have been used for short trips, cold to cold - maybe school runs or trips to the shops down the road.. At "just over 3 years old" ~ 40months, 21000 miles, 365 days, that's 18 miles a day. If split into 2 trips = 9 miles each.. sounds like someone nipping to the nearest town a couple of times a day. In theory, the engine should request an oil change when dilution gets risky (6-7%?), but we already know the owner ignores the dash.. So what if there were 15%-20% diesel in the engine oil? |
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4th Sep 2024 7:54am |
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Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1400 |
That's what I thought. I'd have taken an oil sample and sent it off for analysis.
At least you would know one way or another. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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4th Sep 2024 8:18am |
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XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 489 |
Or perhaps it was clearly owner error...
(and the mechanics are just playing this out for the story.) |
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4th Sep 2024 9:36am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17448 |
These are all good questions and plausible scenarios, but unless a sample is sent for analysis I doubt we will ever know for sure.
The questions in my mind are what could an owner do that results in that much damage in such a short time and low mileage, and what actually caused the blancmange texture? I have seen engines which have hand longer oil change intervals which have oil which looks perfect - so how do you do THAT to oil? I don't see how oil dilution by diesel alone could be the cause, and I don't see how condensation alone or in combination with oil dilution could be the cause. I seriously wonder if something was intentionally or accidentally added (perhaps DEF down the wrong hole or something). It shouldn't be possible to do that to sump oil! Perhaps we on DEF2 should sponsor the engine guys to get a sample analysed. |
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4th Sep 2024 10:57am |
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Gareth Member Since: 12 Dec 2011 Location: Woodford Posts: 1107 |
Here’s a boroscope photo of the inside of my 3.0 I6 Defender D300, after 30k miles. 3.5 years old. Mainly short journeys, but a few decent runs a month. 1 dealer service at 16k, one self oil change at 25k.
A bit difficult to see because there is minimal space to get endoscope in, but it looks clear of any sludge, oil of course is black, but it was black within 10 minutes of last oil change! Pic 1 is looking straight down next to the cam, pic 2 is looking back along the cam-caps. Click image to enlarge Click image to enlarge 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy |
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4th Sep 2024 4:05pm |
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XplusYplusZ Member Since: 16 Aug 2021 Location: UK Posts: 489 |
Thanks Gareth. No crude oil/coal in there!
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5th Sep 2024 7:33am |
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Silb Member Since: 24 Apr 2024 Location: Hamburg Posts: 9 |
Regarding the oil thickening, could some malfunction in the EGR System (like the Valve or the Filter) have contributed to that? Putting more soot than expected in the combustion chambers?
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5th Sep 2024 9:12am |
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lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2847 |
lt has to be something like that.
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5th Sep 2024 7:31pm |
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