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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2706  
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So, how COULD a modern diesel engine get into that state after only 20,000 miles. lt's absolutely full of solidified sludge.
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25th Aug 2024 10:54am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17322 
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Something like that I reckon. |
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25th Aug 2024 11:00am |
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| H1Tad Member Since: 20 Jul 2024 Location: Maine Posts: 110 
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Poor oil circulation or even piston blow by. If I was a betting man I'd say that blow by from diesel carbon contaminating thr oil. 2022 Defender 110 SE P400 Tasman Blue Expedition and Cold weather package 2003 Hummer H1 P400 Firehouse Red 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser |
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25th Aug 2024 3:29pm |
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| Clemmo Member Since: 03 Aug 2012 Location: Mile Oak Posts: 1217  
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It simply can’t … Make today a little better than yesterday but not so good as tomorrow.... Defender 90 HT............Pangea Green BMW X3 Msport............Carbon Black Mini Electric................Grey. (wow!) MGB Roadster……..........Vermillion 17k miles Honda Benly CD200....Maroon --------McLouis Fusio........7.4m of fun |
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25th Aug 2024 6:27pm |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1338 
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Interim oil change using wrong oil? Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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25th Aug 2024 8:49pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2706
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l am not sure using an incorrect oil specification could have such dire consequences. Unless you put lawn mower oil in it.
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25th Aug 2024 9:06pm |
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| whiterdesign Member Since: 10 Jun 2021 Location: Preston Posts: 269
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Another video re this engine , watch from 6 mins. Looks like it’s not had a service at all in 3 years.
?si=_Jk_iN4rnb9IiiVz 110 XS 250 MY 23 Gondwana Stone, Cold climate pack and towbar |
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28th Aug 2024 7:04pm |
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| Jerry Member Since: 13 Nov 2015 Location: Cardiff Posts: 193 
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If this was dpf related/clogging & oil dilution from short journeys, wouldn’t it have gone into limp mode much earlier in its life (and had to go back to a dealer etc)?
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28th Aug 2024 8:07pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2706
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l am thinking it's condensation, from the engine doing short journeys and never fully heating up. The oil has emulsified?
Mine does a lot of short journeys but close together, so the engine is always hot. lf the vehicle was driven a few miles a couple of times every day, the engine would never get hot enough and you may get condensation inside. To do 21,000 miles in three years the vehicle would have had to average 20 miles per day. |
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29th Aug 2024 7:15am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17322
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I don't know what a modern oil looks like when emulsified but it doesn't look like a classic emulsified oil, and I doubt modern oils look that different. The bloke with the camera suggested that some kind of anti-knock thickener may have been added when the bearing knock became apparent, and that seems plausible to me.
The two guys seem to know their onions with engines and are clearly puzzled not just about how it has happened but also by what has happened to the oil. It also clearly, from what they are saying, isn't gritty or lumpy bet rather smooth like blancmange. I'd expect emulsified oil to be smooth and blancmange-like, but not that very black colour (in my experience it's always a colour from brown through to grey-white) but perhaps on a modern diesel it is blacker. Repeated short journeys are extremely harmful to IC engines, which is of course why the very low mileage vehicle is usually not a good buy, but it is disturbing that an engine which is under the mileage limit for a its first service although over the age limit (although oil doesn't biodegrade so this really shouldn't be an issue) is in such a terrible state. Since we don't actually know, even if we suspect, that something untoward happened to it, I suggest that this should be a warning to those here who only do very low mileages or regular very short journeys in their Defenders! |
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29th Aug 2024 7:55am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2706
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Mine has done 15,000 miles of mainly short journeys. Although as l said, several short journeys every day so the engine stays hot.
lt does some longer journeys as well. Anyhow, after reading about this engine failure l checked mine and it's like new inside with no deposits at all. My old Defender TD5 had 90,000 miles of similar use. l had the cylinder head cover off a couple of times to change the injector harness and again, it was perfectly clean inside with no deposits at all. The oil was changed every 6,000 miles. |
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29th Aug 2024 1:04pm |
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| Landy240 Member Since: 22 Jul 2024 Location: Merseyside Posts: 6
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I wonder what effect the stop/start system has on engines as this kicks in whenever I pull up to a junction or traffic light - the engine temp doesn't have to be mid gauge either. Also - what counts as a short journey? 1 mile? 20 miles but with 20 stop / start events? Does a long journey offset multiple short journeys? |
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3rd Sep 2024 2:22pm |
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| revd Member Since: 20 Apr 2024 Location: England Posts: 106
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Head off or just the rocker cover? |
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3rd Sep 2024 3:26pm |
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| ruben Member Since: 04 Feb 2021 Location: ASTURIAS Posts: 154 
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I don’t understand why the S/S system is a problem, while it is off nothing happens, neither bad nor good, nothing…could the constant cold starting be a problem? I don’t think so, mine doesn’t start the S/S system until the engine is warm, so…talking to a friend who works at an official dealership, here the D’s that give constant problems, especially due to dilution and restricted performance are D5’s of the traffic police forces…they spend hours on road patrol in winter stopped and with the engine running to maintain acceptable temperature conditions inside the passenger compartment, and dilution problems, just to mention that they are all Ingenium 2.0 D with 4 pots!! Defender 110 SE I6 D 23MY
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3rd Sep 2024 3:28pm |
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