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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7981   
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So what you have is a large seal with a retaining plate being part of it?
Or you have a large seal and no plate. There should be large seal and plate to hold seal in place. From your description sounds like you have a combined one? Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Jul 2024 7:17am |
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| John P Member Since: 26 Dec 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 311  
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I have the seal and the retaining plate. But in the picture below number 5 states there is a washer or gasket between the retaining plate and seal.
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27th Jul 2024 7:21am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3397  
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When I rebuilt my 10 spline axle swivels, there was a paper gasket. The gasket might be required because there are some locations in the housing where there was nothing for the seal to butt against.
But also 10 spline hubs originally had double retaining plates, so a gasket could seal better. Plus the swivels were specified with EP90 oil. Later swives might be constructed a bit differently. But I would not bother too much about a paper gasket. A bit of RTV on the outside surface of the seal is good insurance against leakage. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Jul 2024 7:44am |
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| John P Member Since: 26 Dec 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 311
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I can’t remember a gasket being there when I dismantled it a week ago. I might just add a little RTV just to be sure of no leaks.
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27th Jul 2024 8:02am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3397
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The following diagram does not seem to have a gasket.
https://www.lrworkshop.com/diagrams/land-r...afts_44783 My 2012 swivel assembly is currently off my 90. I might take out the plate and check, as anyhow it shows some bad corrosion on the plate, so good time to replace since I have spare. I can feedback. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Jul 2024 9:06am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3397
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Removed my 2012 swivel seal retaining ring (only 1 retaining plate, that looks like a port hole from the Titanic) and there is no gasket.
Btw, your first diagram shows 2 retaining plates, which is same as the earlier swivels. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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27th Jul 2024 10:17am |
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| piechipsandpeas Member Since: 12 May 2021 Location: Albany, Western Australia Posts: 207  
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The one you are showing in your workshop manual John P looks to be of the older oil filled swivels and corresponds to the diagram from LR Workshop for 1987 - 2006 Defenders as shown below (item 12).
The later swivels on your car will be grease filled and no longer have the seal gasket between the seal and plate as shown on the diagram linked by Dinnu. Click image to enlarge |
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27th Jul 2024 10:19am |
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| John P Member Since: 26 Dec 2013 Location: West Sussex Posts: 311
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Thanks all for the feedback.
My picture was taken from the LR workshop manual for Pumas from 2007 to 2016. I have just put a little RTV on to make a better seal. |
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27th Jul 2024 10:34am |
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| MadTom Member Since: 10 Sep 2013 Location: Olomouc Posts: 614  
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Last time I used the "seal holder" custom made from stainless with the big hole made a bit smaller. It is a bit better when the car is used off road. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo
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28th Jul 2024 5:47pm |
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