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| rustandoil Member Since: 08 Sep 2012 Location: Cotswolds Posts: 738   
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Looks like you were lucky to make it 120 miles
 ... bit of a mess youve got to sort out there  [/b] |
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28th May 2024 1:01pm |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896  
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That was my thinking . . .
I’m having it recovered to my trusted specialist for a full investigation! Charlie 1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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28th May 2024 1:24pm |
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| Bowbearer Member Since: 12 Aug 2022 Location: Norfolk Posts: 170 
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The stubs and hubs are different on early V8 110s
I had to modify a Td5 Hub as I couldn't get one at the time. Best to buy by part number, but check its not been modified before. Good luck, looks like you've had some already! |
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28th May 2024 1:34pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1051  
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I am sure this is the exception but frankly pretty shocking that any professional shop can sent this on its way. Having had an interest in cars for 40+ years, say from about 8-10 years old, I have seen personally way too may not similar examples to now COMPLETELY avoid the motor trade industry.
Just an example, my parents had a Volvo in the '80s and it ended up with a spinning front wheel bearing. I was old enough to be allowed to open it up and found no grease seal fitted at the back, bearing run dry and seized. Going back through the receipts about a year earlier the Volvo garage had changed the brake discs and not fitted a seal. Checked the other side and was the same, just not seized yet. Not an accident, just incompetency. Incompetency, poor trouble shooting (computer says..) and substandard and cheap parts, I don't want any of my cars touched by a garage. Your problem can all be fixed with parts available. |
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28th May 2024 2:14pm |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896
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I’m going to have Chris at Venture4x4 do a full investigation, as I do not want to risk this happening again! I’m amazed it wasn’t worse and that I was able to park up without any idea of what damage had been caused.
Chris didn’t fit the new brakes, they were done elsewhere with some other major works, but I trust him and his team to do a thorough job. I’ll report back once I know the cause. I suspect a mismatch of parts. Charlie 1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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29th May 2024 11:19am |
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| L110CDL Member Since: 31 Oct 2015 Location: Devon Posts: 10742
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Wow what a mess
Luck was certainly with you on that day and it will be very interesting on the outcome of the investigation  1996 Golf Blue 300Tdi 110 Pick up.
Keeper. Clayton. |
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29th May 2024 7:56pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1218  
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First glance and I think your problem is pretty obvious. Incompetence from whoever fitted the brakes.
The disc retaining bolts are only meant to have threadlock on them - it looks like they've had copper slip put on them. In fact new bolts are usually supplied with thread lock pre-applied. They'll have just worked loose with the vibration a wheel normally sees whilst driving. The bolt heads shearing like that is characteristic of the bolts not being tightened up properly which is what would happen with copper slip applied. I assume from the lack of damage on the stub shaft that they did actually do up the hub nut properly then? Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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30th May 2024 11:50am |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896
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That’s an interesting observation, and not something I had considered!
Well it seemed that the hub nuts had been done up correctly, although I wasn’t impressed by the fact it looked like the retaining washers that are bent over were the old ones re-used . . . Charlie 1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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30th May 2024 11:58am |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1218
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Also looks like there's some copper slip between the bearing outer race and hub. That again is meant to be drifted in with a dry surface so the race doesn't spin. It might be possible I guess that that starts slipping at which point the bearing race is harder than the hub so the hub should wear faster. I doubt you'd see any effect in 120 miles but again goes back to the incompetence.
It's a subjective topic but I'd also question the need for so much copper slip on the hub faces. Personally I don't and have never had an issue getting a wheel off - sometimes they're a little stubborn but a quick kick to the outer edge and they come off easily enough. Same thing applies, applying the copper grease changes the torque characteristics of the fastener so the wheels could be working loose helping exaserbate everything. Ed 82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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30th May 2024 12:06pm |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896
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I was amused by the volume of copper slip that had been used, but didn’t really think too much of it at the time! Charlie
1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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30th May 2024 12:10pm |
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| I Like Old Skool Member Since: 23 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 808 
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I don't really know where to start..... As you seem to be a business I suggest you change workshops pretty sharpish and issue legal proceedings against the company that did this work. Not only was it sub-standard work, it was downright dangerous and a risk to anyone driving the vehicle and anyone nearby at the time! An amateur who had watched a how-to video on YouTube would likely do a better job.
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30th May 2024 9:55pm |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896
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No no, I’m not a business (as much as I wouldn’t mind playing with LRs for a living)! I’m going to see what comes of having everything stripped, cleaned, and rebuilt to the book before taking any further action.
At the end of the day, I’ll vote with my feet! It was my first time using this specialist . . . Charlie 1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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30th May 2024 9:59pm |
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| BaronDefenders Member Since: 28 Jun 2019 Location: London/Cotswolds Posts: 896
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Issue identified, resolved, and thoroughly tested.
Spring washers behind the disc bolts was all it was . . . Charlie 1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD) 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD) 2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD) 1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored) 1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE) 2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK) 2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build) Instagram: @BaronDefenders |
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28th Aug 2024 6:51pm |
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| sako243 Member Since: 08 Jul 2014 Location: Wales Posts: 1218
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As in they'd put spring washers there? If I remember correctly there's nothing because flanged bolts should be used. Ed
82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6 95 Defender 110 300Tdi |
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29th Aug 2024 11:17am |
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