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excossack



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United Kingdom 1999 Defender 110 Td5 SW Caledonian Blue
Door seals - I have seen the light
Decided to replace the drivers side door seal as it was leaking.
Ordered a new one from an online market place.
Seal arrived and I fitted it, only to see this

New seal


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Old seal


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New seal width


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Old seal width


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I think something isn't right.

Anyone able to measure a genuine Land Rover door seal to see how it compares to my old & new seal please? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #1035960 29th May 2024 7:28am
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shaynecm



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i can get measurements later for you .

think thats a puma style seal, the new genine door seals tend to be thicker with more re-enforcements where you bend round the body at the door latch. which then can kick the door out on pree puma/welded doors

i had to adjust my door for it to get a good seal all the way round. at first i made the door a bit tighter to account for the seal needing to bed in and compress.

once adjusted they are a better seal. i also fitted the puma style lower door seals which dont fit 100% but are miles better.
Post #1035967 29th May 2024 8:24am
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excossack



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Cheers.

The new one is a Puma door seal? 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #1035969 29th May 2024 8:33am
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shaynecm



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looks like it and the way its kicking your door over at the reenforcement in that bend will probably be causing you issues.
Post #1035971 29th May 2024 8:39am
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excossack



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Cheers. The old one fits better and gives me no gap when the door is shut. I am not sure I have that much movement in the door to cure the kicking out bit. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #1035972 29th May 2024 8:46am
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khamuul



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Cheers. Dont you think the door itself is bent?


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Post #1035974 29th May 2024 8:53am
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shaynecm



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you may need a shim or two, possibly on the bottom hinge (bulkhead Side) to push the bottom hinge out and the top should then go in. (basically your piviting the door angle)

door alignments are a right pain.

the door could be a little bent its hard to tell from the photos, but your old seal the door sits better.

i think its the extra re-enforcments/thickness just below where you think the door is bent.

you should be able to adjust things to try and get a better fit.
Post #1035975 29th May 2024 9:02am
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Linds Hanson



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As said time and time again fit the Genuine JLR latest seal as the aftermarket ones are too stiff on the tight curved areas.
Post #1035976 29th May 2024 9:06am
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excossack



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khamuul wrote:
Cheers. Dont you think the door itself is bent?


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The door does go in at the top rather than outwards 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #1035977 29th May 2024 9:10am
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excossack



Member Since: 22 Feb 2012
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Linds Hanson wrote:
As said time and time again fit the Genuine JLR latest seal as the aftermarket ones are too stiff on the tight curved areas.


I did look at Gen LR seals, but at £80+ its a dear do. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
Econet Station 48 no clock
Post #1035978 29th May 2024 9:11am
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BrickBox



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Aftermarket seals are rubbish. They’re cheaper for a reason, as you have found out. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #1035984 29th May 2024 9:46am
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TexasRover



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excossack wrote:
Linds Hanson wrote:
As said time and time again fit the Genuine JLR latest seal as the aftermarket ones are too stiff on the tight curved areas.


I did look at Gen LR seals, but at £80+ its a dear do.


Sometimes it's worth spending the money. You can run a defender on a tight budget, but if you want it to be 'as God intended' you need to flash the cash occasionally.
Post #1035986 29th May 2024 9:48am
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excossack



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BrickBox wrote:
Aftermarket seals are rubbish. They’re cheaper for a reason, as you have found out.


Yep as I have found out. The seal I got was not even Britpart/Allmakes/Bearmach 1999 Defender TD5 110

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John M0VAZ
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Post #1035990 29th May 2024 9:55am
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jcw



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I’ve had good results specifically using the Bearmach branded front door seals, as a more cost effective alternative to genuine.
Post #1035998 29th May 2024 12:11pm
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rustandoil



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Will at LR Workshp did an in depth review of door seals, might be worth a look
Post #1036000 29th May 2024 1:06pm
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