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Evil Elsie



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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 HT Alpine White
Interior light of mystery
Hey folks ๐Ÿ˜,
It's still a bit chilly but the big yellow thing in the sky is shinning - happy days ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

My interior light has never worked. All three door switches are missing. I'm not bothered about the light illuminating when I open a door but I do want to be able to switch the light on manually.
I've got a good earth but only 11.5v on the purple/black permanent live.
12.5v at the battery.
The light works perfectly when connected to a 12v battery in my garage so it has to be the fact that I'm losing 1v on the permanent live.

Anybody got any ideas where this pesky Volt may be going..??

Cheers, Dave. 2002 Land Rover 110 Td5 Utility
1990 Suzuki GSXR 1100L
1980 Yamaha RD 350LC
1976 Yamaha RD 400C
Post #1033167 28th Apr 2024 4:11pm
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andy63



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I think it's a bit more than just your one volt missing..

You most probably have a high resistance in that circuit somewhere and when you switch it on and try and pass current you have a very low voltage at the bulb holder..
Try a meter on it and see what voltage you have at the holder with the circuit on.. with current flowing๐Ÿ‘
If that wasn't the case your bulb would light even with 11v at the holder..
Try that anyway๐Ÿ‘
Post #1033174 28th Apr 2024 5:25pm
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Evil Elsie



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Nice one - thanks Andy..๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
I put a meter on the plug that supplies the light - 11.5v.
I would have thought that it would light the bulb at that but I get nothing.
I've tried the original incandescent bulb and an LED one.
Both work when connected to a 12v motorbike battery but not when I connect them to the Landy.
Landy Earth is good but permanent live at plug for light =11.5v and not a flicker...

Will see what I'm getting at the actual bulb holder tomorrow (started on the Bushmills already ๐Ÿ˜œ).

Cheers, Dave 2002 Land Rover 110 Td5 Utility
1990 Suzuki GSXR 1100L
1980 Yamaha RD 350LC
1976 Yamaha RD 400C
Post #1033185 28th Apr 2024 7:54pm
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andy63



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Bushmills .. Very nice..
I'm not that far from the distillery atm๐Ÿ‘
Post #1033191 28th Apr 2024 8:36pm
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Sjmmarsh



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Evil Elsie wrote:
Nice one - thanks Andy..๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
I put a meter on the plug that supplies the light - 11.5v.
I would have thought that it would light the bulb at that but I get nothing.


You need to measure the voltage across the bulb when it is in the holder and turned on - I suspect it will be way less than 1v, which is not enough to light it up. Your issue is probably a poor connection somewhere that is giving a high resistance to the current flowing through the wires. Chase the wiring back to the source and pull and reconnect any plugs. Also check the earth at the lamp - if that has poor contact then you have found the issue. (Check the resistance between the -ve end of the bulb holder and an earth on the dash (e.g. outer rim of the lighter socket). It should be no more than 1 ohm

Steve
Post #1033222 29th Apr 2024 9:11am
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balmybaldwin



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What ground are you using? if it's the original then I suspect you haven't got a proper ground as the door switches switch the ground feed for the interior lights. Presumably if they are missing then there's nothing to make the contact.
Post #1033291 29th Apr 2024 5:54pm
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PauloA



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Can you follow the wire back through the dash to see if there are any issues?

Another alternative is to ditch the old wire and run a new wire from the relevant terminal in the fuse box and up to the roof...or a permanent live (ideally with an inline fuse as a minimum).

Cheers,

Paul

Edited to add: As mentioned above the door switches make the earth path so you might want to run a new, known good earth as well as a 12V supply.
Post #1033292 29th Apr 2024 6:01pm
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custom90



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Sounds like, as mentioned, possibly high resistance, could be caused by poor contact(s) live or ground sides.
The connector(s) could have poor contact, itโ€™s also grounded by the backing plate, and that has a connector on it also. (Ground).

Check the voltage with it turned on, in parallel (across the light bulb or LED fitting contacts).
See what that shows voltage wise, you can also see what current draw itโ€™s pulling by checking in series.
Bearing in mind, current draw will be significantly lower with LED than the standard fitting.
If I remember rightly, current draw shouldnโ€™t be any more than 1.2A max for the standard light not lower than Approx 800mA or 0.8A.
LED is much lower, but you can factor in the current draw it should be by testing it from an alternative voltage source.

Is the fuse fully in-tact? Iโ€™m not sure however exactly which one it is.
The door switches ground the light if a door is open if powered by AS10, but as you rightly say there is the permanent on off option.

If you had a door switch and that doesnโ€™t work either, and the same issues with both circuits then a common ground issue is likely if there are two power supplies that appear to be working as they should.
With an insufficient ground, that may be the common issue.

Beware the A pillar trims also, the wiring goes up behind there, it has been known for these to be removed (the trims.) and the wires trapped by the fixings or a screw driven through the screws present. No Guts, No Glory.
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Post #1033311 29th Apr 2024 7:37pm
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Evil Elsie



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Thank you all for the help and advice - and apologies for taking so long to reply..

Just in case it helps someone else;
Voltage checked at bulb holder = 11.49v in all three switch positions and without bulb fitted.
Voltage checked at bulb holder = 6.5v in the 'On' position with bulb fitted. (11.49v with tHe switch in the other two positions).

So, as suggested, a dodgy connection in the 12v supply.
I've ran a new supply to the light (from the leisure battery - just in case I forget and leave it on) and for the first time in my ownership I have an interior light..๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

Cheers, Dave. 2002 Land Rover 110 Td5 Utility
1990 Suzuki GSXR 1100L
1980 Yamaha RD 350LC
1976 Yamaha RD 400C
Post #1034380 10th May 2024 8:59am
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Screbble



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Great result ๐Ÿ‘

Wonโ€™t be long now until the days get shorter and the nights draw in and you can gain the benefit Whistle
Post #1034443 11th May 2024 6:35am
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