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MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2410 |
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24th Feb 2024 3:16pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20294 |
Good find. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️
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24th Feb 2024 3:17pm |
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Timcat Member Since: 20 Jul 2016 Location: Rugby at the moment Posts: 1025 |
Very detailed response thank you. I’m going to bridge the clutch switch & see what difference it makes can’t hurt to try. The connecting rod on the actuator was nice & free and as said the internal worm drive wasn’t damaged & looked in good condition. The anti stall also works really well & we use it a lot on some of the more difficult mountain roads. Will report back when I’ve bridged the switch…thanks again |
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24th Feb 2024 3:44pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20294 |
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24th Feb 2024 4:13pm |
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landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5663 |
Would this issue be altered/different if the ecu thought you were in high ratio, or low ratio?
ECU changing the map!! Just thoughts as I don’t know much about the 2.2. |
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24th Feb 2024 5:19pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20294 |
I’m not sure the 2.4 or 2.2 detects high and low selection does anyone know?
I know there is on the IPAC greyed out so to speak a symbol for something along these lines, but it doesn’t work on Pumas, only for diff lock, I’d imagine there is a light for Traction Control and ABS for those that have that equipped? Mine does not have TC or ABS, so that is not applicable to mine but the diff lock indicator definitely does work. Anti stall works in high and low, but there is no visual indication of that on the dash other than it does its thing by its self. I’m sure that anti stall works in 1st high and 1st low, does it work in 2nd as well? I wouldn’t be too keen to try it but I’d imagine anti stall in 2nd low would possible work due to still lower gearing but not so sure about 2nd gear high. 1st gear low, on anti stall is nice for a Byway trundle, especially if it’s uphill and tricky terrain, locking the centre diff first before any areas of concern if needed. Whenever I’ve noticed a little flat spot in 1st high, it’s usually in my opinion caused by the clutch switch cutting the torque slightly and typically extremely momentarily grinding up the torque in a nice smooth curve to prevent a shock load on the transmission. Possibly, tuners can adjust the percentage parameter that the torque is cut by, but of course if the clutch switch is not operating as it should it all goes awry. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️ |
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24th Feb 2024 5:58pm |
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landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5663 |
I know the Td5 has a difference map on high to low, with it dulling the acceleration on low, so you don’t kangaroo on the lumpy stuff. That was my thinking.
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24th Feb 2024 6:25pm |
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Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3406 |
Same. On Low gear, the accelerator response is slower on a 2.2. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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24th Feb 2024 6:42pm |
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Timcat Member Since: 20 Jul 2016 Location: Rugby at the moment Posts: 1025 |
Thought I’d update this for anyone who has been pulling their hair out with a similar problem. Tried bridging the anti stall to no avail.
Coming into Dar ( Tanzania) found a local independent garage guy who knows his onions, after talking about what’s been done in the past out come the diagnostic gear & a plan was formed….. I give you the culprit. Click image to enlarge Yup fly by wire throttle pedal wasn’t giving the correct reading & thus cutting power massively. He had a puma in the yard which he stripped the pedal off & hey presto!! Thanks again to all those who have taken time to reply to this post. |
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4th Apr 2024 7:06pm |
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custom90 Member Since: 21 Jan 2010 Location: South West, England. Posts: 20294 |
That’s very interesting, and good to see that you’ve zeroed in on it and that it’s fixed.
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4th Apr 2024 7:11pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17337 |
Unusual for the TPS not to produce DTCs, but glad you're sorted.
As an aside, on the TDCi Defenders the anti-stall essentially works in all gears both high and low and forward and reverse. The idle jack only works in 1st low and for this to happen the ECM has to be able to determine both that the t-box is in low range and that 1st gear is selected. The H/L switch on the LT230 indicates to the ECM whether high or low range is selected (and is used to select the appropriate TPS response map accordingly) however since there is no detection on the MT82 main gear selector gate it has to extrapolate that 1st gear is selected from the engine and road speeds. [This post has been edited since originally it contained a disturbing degree of technical inaccuracy which I can't explain and for which I apologise . I think my brain must have been briefly possessed by a moron!] Last edited by blackwolf on 5th Apr 2024 7:37am. Edited 1 time in total |
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4th Apr 2024 9:48pm |
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andy63 Member Since: 30 Jun 2023 Location: north east Posts: 511 |
Hi.. I reading the comments by custom and bw and it's prompted a few thoughts and a question..
I have the 2.2tdci.registeted Dec 2014 but the vin plate has it as a 2015 model.. It has a light on the dash for diff lock operation, and I'm fairly sure there is a switch for high low ratio but I've never seen a light associated with that switch.. Is that normal on that model.. I didn't know about using different maps, so if you have it remapped how would that effect the two map strategy for high low ratio selection Thanks for any feedback👍 |
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5th Apr 2024 6:42am |
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Nino4x4 Member Since: 09 Apr 2019 Location: Madrid Posts: 13 |
The ECU not only detects high/low speeds but also at what speed, it has maps for each speed.
You can check the clutch switch if it works and it is with the vehicle stopped and pressing the clutch it does not go up more than 3500rpm |
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5th Apr 2024 6:54am |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17337 |
Upon rereading my yesterday post (above) I realised to my shame that it contained significant errors of fact which I now struggle to explain. I have therefore edited it accordingly and it is now correct to the best of my knowledge. The corrected post is quoted below.
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5th Apr 2024 7:40am |
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