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familymad



Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
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 2016 Defender 130 Puma 2.2 HCPU Santorini Black
I am surprised, with that useful post, that the Ineos does so poorly on the efficiency front. It's a modern pair of engines and similar weights. Great gearbox too..must be down to aero? 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI
Post #1027063 6th Mar 2024 11:25pm
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Soup Dragon



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According to Harry’s Garage (cut to 8m 20s), the one he had weighted 2960kg (including Harry who weighs 80kg) and he stated it is “600kg heavier than a current Defender”. That’s more than a Caterham 7. Ok so his had a few extras but the difference appears to be pretty stark. I wouldn’t be getting 40mpg out of my D250 if it weighed almost 3 tonnes.

Post #1027066 6th Mar 2024 11:38pm
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spudfan



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Location: Co Donegal
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Ireland 
I suppose we have a mind set. With the old Defender we accepted it for what it was, well I did. So I suppose any one buying a Grenadier would just have to accept it for what it is. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1027069 7th Mar 2024 12:17am
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Chicken Drumstick



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Soup Dragon wrote:
According to Harry’s Garage (cut to 8m 20s), the one he had weighted 2960kg (including Harry who weighs 80kg) and he stated it is “600kg heavier than a current Defender”. That’s more than a Caterham 7. Ok so his had a few extras but the difference appears to be pretty stark. I wouldn’t be getting 40mpg out of my D250 if it weighed almost 3 tonnes.


Not too sure how accurate Harry’s Garage is on such matters if I’m honest. I certainly wouldn’t be using it as a reference point.

Let’s also not forget that something like a 2.2 litre Puma Defender offers up worse mpg than a 4.4 TDV8 Range Rover. Despite also weighing a lot less than the Range Rover.

From what I’ve seen. People are reporting similar or better mpg from the diesel Grenadier than what you’d get from a manual 2.2 Puma. And the petrol is offering better mpg than what a Rover V8 D2/p38 would have managed.
Post #1027128 7th Mar 2024 8:02am
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TexasRover



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My P38 V8 4.0 has a catastrophic fuel consumption. Lovely car though!

I have owned several L322 V8 RR and Disco 3/4 in countries where fuel is cheap and typically they could do about 25-30 UKMPG down the motorway at reasonable speed, maybe 22 around town.

My P38 on LPG does about 15 UKMPG around town and maybe 22 on the motorway. The only good thing is that LPG is half the price of Diesel so cost wise you can double the numbers to compare with diesel. (30-40MPG) AND according to France I am Crit'air 1 (from 6 to 0, with 0 only for electric). So effectively I am cleaning the air as I drive!
Post #1027132 7th Mar 2024 8:45am
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johnlad



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There’s a review from an Irish motoring journalist on YouTube stating he gets 8 km a litre from the diesel grenadier compared to 14 km a litre from the D300 Defender.
Post #1027135 7th Mar 2024 9:16am
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spudfan



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Have not seen one over here yet. Unless you can tax it as a commercial, the road tax will be €2,400 per year, the same as the new Defender. Even if you buy a cheaper commercial N1 version, you will still pay the €2400 road tax unless you can prove it is for business and that is hard to do. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1027140 7th Mar 2024 10:25am
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Chicken Drumstick



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johnlad wrote:
There’s a review from an Irish motoring journalist on YouTube stating he gets 8 km a litre from the diesel grenadier compared to 14 km a litre from the D300 Defender.

But why the comparison, they are such different kinds of vehicles. Expecting the same mpg/performance is just misguided IMO.
Post #1027147 7th Mar 2024 11:30am
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Muddybigdog



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Chicken Drumstick wrote:
Muddybigdog wrote:
Hope they have put the vehicle on a diet, dropping some serious KG will make it more attractive in MPG stakes

Where exactly do you think they could save weight? Confused


Vehicle diets are not my bag, but JLR managed a 420kg diet on the L405 from the L322 Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200
Puma 90 XS - Sold
D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold)
Freelander 2 HSE - Sold
Freelander 1 - Sold
Disco 2 - Sold
Post #1027155 7th Mar 2024 12:27pm
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Ianb



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spudfan wrote:
Have not seen one over here yet. Unless you can tax it as a commercial, the road tax will be €2,400 per year, the same as the new Defender. Even if you buy a cheaper commercial N1 version, you will still pay the €2400 road tax unless you can prove it is for business and that is hard to do.


2400 TAX?!?! Shocked Shocked Shocked
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Post #1027159 7th Mar 2024 1:21pm
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Chicken Drumstick



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Muddybigdog wrote:
Chicken Drumstick wrote:
Muddybigdog wrote:
Hope they have put the vehicle on a diet, dropping some serious KG will make it more attractive in MPG stakes

Where exactly do you think they could save weight? Confused


Vehicle diets are not my bag, but JLR managed a 420kg diet on the L405 from the L322

Where are you getting 405kg from?

From Parkers for a TDV8 Vogue SE:

L322 = 2580kg
L405 = 2456kg
Post #1027162 7th Mar 2024 1:45pm
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Moo



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Never understood why people worry about fuel economy when they've bought a three tonne brick on heavy chunky tyres and with a transmission that adds in extra friction. Confused Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
Post #1027166 7th Mar 2024 2:32pm
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TexasRover



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Totally Agree!

If you make a rational evaluation of the cost of a car we probably all be driving very simple and cheap cars. People however buy on emotion (so do I, I own a defender and a P38), or based on what the neighbours drive, or whatever status they want to portray at the golf club (me notsomuch)

You can also save a lot of fuel by simply driving less, making your journeys with a bit of forethought. I quit going to the shops a long time ago and work from home more. I easily halved my fuel consumption!
Post #1027167 7th Mar 2024 2:38pm
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blackwolf



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I also fail to understand why people persist in comparing the Grenadier with the current Defender, since they are as chalk and cheese. Utterly different vehicles for utterly different purposes and markets.
Post #1027171 7th Mar 2024 3:19pm
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Farmerben



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What market/purpose is the Grenadier designed for and can those markets afford it and are they the ones buying it? https://instagram.com/bentheoandrews
Post #1027191 7th Mar 2024 6:13pm
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