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Retroanaconda



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Chicken Drumstick wrote:

Lol, your are correct your statement is misleading.... Laughing

I said across the body. The traditional Defender is 64.5" (1638mm). This was pertinent as I was saying you could fit 3 across. Obviously the body width dictates the interior space, not the overall width.

The New Defender is according to Wiki 79.1" (2009mm) excluding the mirrors.

79.1 - 64.5 = 14.6" or as near as damn it 15 inches if you round to a whole figure!


I’ve just been out to the garage to measure both cars.

Old 90 is 1630 across the body at the doors, excluding the mirrors and the wheel arches.

The new 110 is 1855 at the same point, and again excluding the mirrors and the wheel arch protrusions.

So the body width is 225mm greater on the new car. Or just under 9”.
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JackNorris



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Some interesting info here

I’m going through this debate now having been used to a d300 d5

A great spec is available only in d250 with my options as standard or I can spec a d300 to the same and it’s about £10k more

It’s hard… Rolling with laughter
Post #1009959 3rd Oct 2023 9:50pm
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lightning



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l have the 90 D250 and have never used full throttle in 8,000 miles, even when towing the caravan. And l don't hang about, l like to keep up with traffic and not cause an obstruction.

l tried the kickdown (full throttle) once, pulling out of a junction (not towing) and from a standing start there's a delay before it responds.
Post #1009974 4th Oct 2023 7:02am
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Chicken Drumstick



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The delay was horrible on the 240, sounds like it is just as bad. I think it is the diesels although I've not driven a modern petrol Defender. But the older TDV6 suffered this too.

As for full throttle, that has to depend. I frequently use full throttle, be it a 100hp or well over 300hp.
Post #1010022 4th Oct 2023 1:09pm
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Moo



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I drive my D250 pretty hard, particularly across Europe and it flies. Kickdown is quick, no lag and gives the car a good punch. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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pjm-84



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I sometimes find 395hp wanting Rolling with laughter
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RDR



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I have had a lot of Defender Loaners over the past 6 months some D250 and some D300. I haven't owned an LR with less than 300PS for some time. The D250 had noticeably less poke to me when i got in it BUT after about 500 miles of driving i didn't think there was much in it. I guess i naturally adapted to it. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
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D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
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Post #1010041 4th Oct 2023 3:12pm
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Chicken Drumstick



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I think the thing to bear in mind is. That while 'modern cars' as a whole have gotten faster. The vast majority on the roads are not fast cars, probably averaging 0-60mph in 10-14 seconds or slower if you include vans and the like. And most are probably not driven quickly either.

It really wasn't that long ago that the fastest Land Rover product could barely break 10 secs 0-60mph with less hp than anything on sale today. Today even the "slow" models are pretty quick and would likely show hot hatches of yesterday a clean pair of heels when you put your foot down.
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J77



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JackNorris wrote:
Some interesting info here

I’m going through this debate now having been used to a d300 d5

A great spec is available only in d250 with my options as standard or I can spec a d300 to the same and it’s about £10k more

It’s hard… Rolling with laughter


I’m sure those 50 horses are worth the £10k but D250 is fine engine. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
Post #1010057 4th Oct 2023 5:26pm
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JackNorris



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Thanks folks

We try find one for a test drive…

Cheers
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lightning



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You can always get the 250 mapped to 300 if you want the extra 50bhp and a bit more torque.

LR Developments claim to use the same software as Land Rover and it's not detected if the vehicle goes back to the dealer.

l don't know what they charge but it's likely to be less than 1/10th the cost of ordering D300 over the D250 from Land Rover.
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914PAW



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By way of an update having started this thread, today we finally picked up our Defender. A new to us ‘22 plate P400, so neither a 300 or a 250! Apologies for the switch to all those advocates of either D model, and thank you so much to all those who helped with my original question. Very pleased with it so far, and great service from Sinclair JLR in Ludlow.
Post #1012370 23rd Oct 2023 10:31pm
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pjm-84



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The P400 sounds lovely on start up. Thumbs Up
Post #1012373 23rd Oct 2023 10:59pm
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DFNDER



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Welcome to the dark side that is the P400, or should that be the light side, as no more DPF's, EGR's?
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Chicken Drumstick



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Does the P400 not have EGR? As it would be there for the same reason, an inert gas to reduce peak combustion temps to reduce Nox emissions. Certainly other petrol engines have EGR valves, although depending on the cam profile, it is possible to have a degree of 'internal' egr too.
Post #1012419 24th Oct 2023 9:27am
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