rossy wrote:

scotty38 wrote:

Would doing this affect your warranty at all, particularly if you use a filter that is obviously not OE (irresepective of whether it's better or not)?

No because at service time the old oil filter will be just a filthy black gungy thing that will be thrown away and all car manufacturers know that established companies like Coopers or Fram (as Martin says) produce filters to the highest standards - they just don't add the ridiculously high mark up that OE branded products often have. Once the basic specs are met the biggest variable in every car part designated for OE branding (when motor manufacturers' buyers go shopping around component manufacturers) is always price - every time. See how Toyota recently came a cropper when they bought less than perfect accellerator components because they were cheap. Whether its a good or bad thing today price is king

scotty38 wrote:

Would doing this affect your warranty at all, particularly if you use a filter that is obviously not OE (irresepective of whether it's better or not)?

Quote:

Vehicle warranty

The vehicle warranty does not cover items that are subject to adjustment or replacement during normal service or maintenance operations. In addition, Land Rover is not responsible for any repair or replacement that is required as a direct result of:

- Normal wear and tear

- Failure to properly maintain the vehicle in accordance with Land Rover's maintenance schedules and service instructions

- Refilling or topping-up with incorrect fuel, e.g. petrol used instead of diesel

- Failure to use Land Rover specified parts or fluids (or parts of equivalent quality)

- Damage resulting from neglect, accident, or improper use

- Unauthorised modifications of the vehicle or parts (modifications outside of Land Rover specifications).

scotty38 wrote:

rossy wrote:

scotty38 wrote:

Would doing this affect your warranty at all, particularly if you use a filter that is obviously not OE (irresepective of whether it's better or not)?

No because at service time the old oil filter will be just a filthy black gungy thing that will be thrown away and all car manufacturers know that established companies like Coopers or Fram (as Martin says) produce filters to the highest standards - they just don't add the ridiculously high mark up that OE branded products often have. Once the basic specs are met the biggest variable in every car part designated for OE branding (when motor manufacturers' buyers go shopping around component manufacturers) is always price - every time. See how Toyota recently came a cropper when they bought less than perfect accellerator components because they were cheap. Whether its a good or bad thing today price is king

Hear what you're saying but is that opinion or fact? I can just imagine the conversation about a warranty claim after having "done it yourself".


Abit of opinion and fact actually Scotty !
Fact in the sense possibly that my mate is a senior engineer at Ford and tells me the business stuff - saving pennies, bottom line importance etc and opinion in the sense that I'm 50 miles from my LR dealer and having been reassured that those filter companies products meet highest standards and are available locally thats what I buy. By the time my 110 is due its first service I will have already have changed the oil twice and as I intend to keep it for good I tend to think beyond the warranty. I also really begrudge paying top dollar for an LR service when I know I can do the basic fluids filters etc better myself (from what I've read on the forum concerning dealer dissatisfaction) and for a lot less. JLR dealer premises are fancy places and I suppose something has to pay for the bean to cup coffee machines etc.
But thats the problem with warranties and dealer servicing. They have you by the short and curlies in that regard. I wouldn't mind if they did everything by the book and had 'technicians' who knew Defenders but most of the time it seems they don't. Before I bought new I was amazed at used dealer serviced examples with dry props unnattended fluid leaks etc so a dealer service is an expensive grudge purchase of the highest order in my opinion.
Having said that my first service will be due in June -ish and as I will be changing the oil again in February- ish it may be wise to use a genuine filter for that ! One things for sure I'll be handing them 7 litres of my cheaply purchased Magnatec to use so that I don't see something stupid like £20 per litre on the parts bit of the invoice and after 3 years its off to my local Indy for the oily bits that I'm not able to do !

By the way I'm not disputing the benefits of doing this I just find it hard to imagine it wouldn't cause you problems if you were "found out".

rossy wrote:

only because in my case its a 3 hour round trip to get one !