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| boxoftricks Member Since: 06 Feb 2019 Location: Home Counties Posts: 747   
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Why would you ever need to tow a Defender
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31st Aug 2023 8:35am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2619  
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At lest it’s not a the Tesla that broke down on the A36 yesterday and cause nine hours of tailbacks because it could not be moved and a needed to be lifted onto a flat bed……
Ah, progress.  . |
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31st Aug 2023 12:44pm |
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| geobloke Member Since: 06 Nov 2012 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 4410
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It is honestly enough to make you cry in despair...
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31st Aug 2023 1:04pm |
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| stevemfr Member Since: 18 Sep 2022 Location: Strasbpurg Posts: 137 
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Actually, there's supposed to be a lever attached to the shaft that the nut you're referring to is on, and that is connected to a second lever under the engine cover that you can pull and lock into place to put the trans into N. But not all Defenders were delivered with that in place - mine for instance (MY2023 D250). And it's not quite as simple as turning the nut (which is also missing just like the rest of the mechanism if it's not delivered with the vehicle). You have a shaft with 2 flats exiting the middle of the transmission on the left side. You need to attach locking pliers or similar to the 2 flats, turn the shaft (bottom of the locking pliers goes forward), and keep the pliers in the turned position with cable ties or similar. Ask me how I know. 
RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr, P38, and 2 L322s, 2 FL1s and a L663 on the way |
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31st Aug 2023 10:47pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1025 
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I watched the video, not my taste.
Old people with old car experience (like myself) talking about modern cars is never really a good setting. Times have changed, people expect different things of their cars and very few people actually do adventures with their cars, most people just talk about it. |
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1st Sep 2023 3:45am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2715
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What's the "low battery" issue they are all going on about? l've used our new Defender for camping trips where it's not been started for days, and l've been in and out of the vehicle multiple times to get stuff.
l've never had the "low battery" warning. They are saying that the vehicle powered up for 15 minutes when you open the door. Mine doesn't do that, the screen does come on and you can hear a motor running but it all stops after a minute or two if you don't start the engine. |
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1st Sep 2023 7:16am |
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| MarkBrown Member Since: 03 Oct 2022 Location: Mid Wales Posts: 446  
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I've had the situation he was talking about with the battery, although not on a defender but a Mercedes.
The scenario plays out like this: I leave my to old to drive but perfectly good Mercedes ( according to Mr Kahn ) behind your stall at a country show overnight, then open and close the doors or boot all day while getting stuff in and out of it. Pack up at the end of the day, hitch up the trailer and get ready to drive off. Car won't start. It seems that this is because the battery voltage must have dropped below a set level and it won't turn over, although main beam works, along with all the dash lights,horn and so on. The car needs a jump start and were on our way. We now start it every couple of hours for ten minutes. So presumably the new defender along with lots of other ' modern' cars work in a similar manner. |
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1st Sep 2023 7:46am |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1025
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I remember in the 70s my parents occasionally leaving the interior light on (for those cars equipped with this feature) resulting in a flat battery. Or at occasion the headlights for that matter.
I suppose the difference then was that we did not have Youtube to complain about it. In fact it was just one of those things.. |
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1st Sep 2023 7:52am |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2715
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Also, leaving the interior light on was a mistake that could flatten the battery. In this case the battery is going flat in normal use, apparently
Although it's never happened with my Defender |
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1st Sep 2023 2:11pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2619
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At least you could point it down hill, give it a push, then jump start it... |
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1st Sep 2023 3:07pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17330 
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Or if it was a Land-Rover (or an old enough car), use the starting handle.
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1st Sep 2023 4:18pm |
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| Muehae Member Since: 17 Jun 2023 Location: Erding Posts: 19 
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Quite sad to watch. He has done some impressive cars, no doubt. ASPW just stop developing ten or so years ago. A very narrow minded whining individual.
What’s the point man, so much effort in cooking during camping but no effort in trying to learn something about contemporary car electronics. I would love to see him accepting the challenge dealing with modern cars. Is there a problem carrying a laptop? He has one for his work anyway, no. And it is of course LR's fault. He is ever so critical on new LR products but same arguments never seem to catch on to the 300 series, grenadier, etc. - Payload new defender 800kg too low, 700 in a grenadier no problem - automatic transmission equals no towing of new defender but no problem to grenadier or 300 series - Range of 800 km unladen problem for the new defender, 550 km unladen in a grenadier is of course not even mentioned. - weight of nearly 2.9 t unladen (see Harry’s garage review) of the grenadier is of course no problem He does forget the 50/50/50 rule of thumb for every automatic transmission vehicle (50 km towing with 50 km/h causes 50% damage the gearbox). Again sad to watch |
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3rd Sep 2023 12:34pm |
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| BruceT Member Since: 01 Nov 2010 Location: South Africa Posts: 517 
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I have not watched the video but can pretty much guess what he is whining about.
I think he is more interested in views to his channel than the accuracy of the stuff he spews out. If he has the views he gets the sponsors. Simple and that's all he cares about. I have had the low battery warning when I first got the ND but sone over came that. On that note none of my old school overlanding vehicles warned me about a low battery. I would find out when trying to start the vehicle sometimes. I will continue to enjoy my New Defender way off of the usual roads in Southern Africa. If it breaks down I will deal with it. It's so far the best vehicle I have ever "overlanded" in. "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce 11MY Defender 130 23MY Defender 110 D300 HSE X-Dynamic https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzrHKcjA-LJ470_H4QwPgVA |
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6th Sep 2023 7:43am |
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| Moo Member Since: 01 Oct 2021 Location: UK Posts: 1340 
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I fitted a dual battery system into my daughter's 2008 D3 for her recent trips to ru her fridge / freezer knowing how voltage sensitive these beasties are. No issues whatsoever. It just needs a bit of planning and adaptation. Next I will fit a solar panel on her bonnet from Lensun Solar so she shouldn't have any power issues.
Click image to enlarge On my Defender, I'm going to a second fit an AGM dual purpose battery battery under the bonnet and a 100ah LiFePo4 battery in the rear using a DC-DC controller. I'm also going to but a Lensun solar panel on the boot to charge things when the engine is not running and I will also probably have some additional brief case panels to give it a boost. Click image to enlarge These and other over landers, like Bruce seem to manage OK. https://afterthelandroverexperience.com/defender/ It might be a bit overkill, but it should see me through what I plan to do. As for electronics, I have a GAP IID that should get me out of most holes other than catastrophic mechanical damage. If that happens then its a case of throwing money at the problem to get it recovered. There is always a solution.  Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy. |
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6th Sep 2023 8:33am |
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