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JohnDEF



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ECU control of Air Conditioning system
hi,
First post to this forum!

I'm looking for some info on how the Defender TD5 (15P) ECU operates with the air conditioning system. I've been through the wiring diagram and can see that there are :

Input (demand request) on pins 4 and 23 (compressor and fan).
Output (relays energised) on 9 and 29
From measurement, it appears that all pins float at 12v when 'off'.

I can see from the manual that pins 9 and 29 are grounded when the ECU decides that the AC can operate and it energises the relays for compressor clutch and/or fan.

However, what is the conditions required for pins 4 and 23 to be grounded?

I'm assuming the ECU grounds the input pins, but the manual is not clear on this.

Anyone know what the ECU logic is that controls operation of the AC in response to a demand request - which I assume is a 12v 'digital input'.

Thanks in advance.
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TexasRover



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I don't think there is any magic in that 'AC computer'. There are inputs (standard AC stuff and temperature) then there is the user input (little bit cold or barely cold). The 'AC computer' creates an AC clutch and AC fan demand based in ac pressures and evaporator core temperature, which is then routed to the Td5 ECU purely to give the ECU a bit more info to play with (cut AC comp load at high power demand, switch on AC fan for additional cooling if required etc).

Really it is a glorified thermostat. The interior fan speed is entirely separate from what i can see.
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JohnDEF



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hi TexasRover
I agree that there isn't any magic or any advanced sophistication in the system - there's only two demand signals - compressor and fan, and two output signals to switch each on/off independently.

My question really relates to how the two input channels work. These are driven by user controlled switches, but the ECU seems to prevent the user command (via the switches) being executed until it determines that the engine conditions are right (such as engine is running, revs above a certain limit etc) - all kind of obvious stuff, although I've never seen documented ...

But my real question is - or do I understand it correctly ... the ECU seems to hold the inputs at 12v (thus preventing the circuit from completing). So, my expectation is that the ECU will drop the inputs to ground once it decides the engine conditions are appropriate. The bit I don't know - does the ECU ground those two wires. If no, what does ...
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TexasRover



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The ECU signal drives ordinary 12v relays, so yes looking at the circuit diagram the ECU pulls to ground to energise the relay
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JohnDEF



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hi NickMc
that's from the manual and describes how the demand signal works from the AC side, but it doesn't describe what the ECU does on the demand inputs.

I've measured 12v at IGN on and with the engine running on the ECU side of the input wires. If the HEVAC sets a demand signal, presumably +12v, then nothing happens. ECU has the input pin at 12v.

So, I'm assuming the ECU grounds the inputs and at that point it can 'see' the demand signal. But that's my assumption. Can't see anything in the manual that actually describes how the ECU logic response on AC demand inputs.

It might well be the case that this isn't documented by LR ...
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NickMc



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Yes ECU normally will switch to ground
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JohnDEF



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All the above suggest that the ECU signals on these pins are high (+12v) for OFF and low (0v) for ON.

Does that sound consistent with other ECU signals? Maybe any Nanocom experts out there might be able to comment?
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NickMc



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I looked at my Autologic today and it doesn’t give much else in info, than what you already know, but Ive attached below



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