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roche1800



Member Since: 07 Apr 2020
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2012 DPF at end of life!
Here’s the situation, I am going to collect a Defender with 145k miles which had a new engine at 142k miles caused from o ring failure on oil filter, to cut a long story short it was a brand new engine, turbo, injectors and some other bits.

All professionally done and have spoken with workshop and seen all invoices etc etc etc

There is an advisory for DPF END OFF LIFE DUE TO MILEAGE.

Is this serious or just simply replacing?

Cheers everyone.[/i]
Post #1043343 20th Aug 2024 6:24pm
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Ianh



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It’s not a big job to replace the downpipe with DPF on a 2.2. Just quite an expensive one at circa £2299 for the part ! .However why are they saying it is near end of life due to mileage? The longevity of the DPF is influenced more by the type of mileage the vehicle has undertaken not the actual mileage I.e lots of short slow speed journeys are not good for the DPF, where as longer higher speed journeys are better for DPF life.
Post #1043358 20th Aug 2024 7:58pm
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roche1800



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I have seen the high prices and was trying to avoid a replacement.

All I can tell you is there are 2 advisories on the invoice for the new engine from the previous owner, end of life and steering (simple repair).

I have called the workshop and they know there stuff on engines… regards the DPF I don’t honestly know how they have reached this conclusion. Perhaps a manual says (for example) 150k miles!!!
Post #1043368 20th Aug 2024 8:38pm
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Easy enough to pick up a used DPF on eBay from reputable defender breakers for a ‘decent’ price these days. Usually come with some form of a short warranty. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #1043385 20th Aug 2024 10:06pm
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Ianh



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OR, if/when there is a problem you could have the DPF and EGR mapped out and replace the downpipe with a DPF shell. That would not comply with MOT rules, however the MOT is “currently “ only a visual inspection so most will pass with a good DPF shell. That would cost about the same as a new DPF but would improve the vehicle performance and engine longevity.

So you have lots of options.

I would see if you can get a discount based on them saying the DPF will likely need replacing.
Post #1043386 20th Aug 2024 10:16pm
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Daphne



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HCPU Fuji White
I took my DPF off and had it cleaned professionally cost £300 that was a year ago no issues and the DPF light has not come on since.
Post #1043389 20th Aug 2024 10:35pm
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JPE



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red
Daphne, was it an easy job to get the dpf out? I recall reading somewhere that the engine needs lifting a little to get the dpf out. I'm wondering if that's the case or if I could just unbolt mine. Thanks.
Post #1043397 21st Aug 2024 5:39am
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Daphne



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 HCPU Fuji White
It’s not to bad a job you have to unbolt the cross member underneath and loosen some bits around the DPF, my wife lifted the DPF from above while I guided it through from underneath. We didn’t lift the engine.
Post #1043398 21st Aug 2024 6:08am
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custom90



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Should have got a 2.4. Twisted Evil

Honestly though, I don’t know how LR justify their prices, I suppose the coffee machines needs to be paid for somehow. ⭐️⭐️God Bless the USA 🇬🇧🇺🇸 ⭐️⭐️
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blackwolf



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
Custom90 wrote:
... I don’t know how LR justify their prices ...


They don't. They don't have to. As long as people pay them, why should they? Rolling Eyes
Post #1043412 21st Aug 2024 7:41am
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
A simple OBD reader should be able to give you the DPF load. As long as the pressure differential sensor is working as intended, it should be more accurate than just by going by miles. As said earlier, it is very dependent on how it was driven, but also what engine oil was used, and perhaps quality of fuel used. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #1043449 21st Aug 2024 11:13am
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roche1800



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Thanks for all the messages.

IT IS ADVISORY. LR ADVISE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS 80k miles

What’s a good all round OBD for IOS please
Post #1043467 21st Aug 2024 2:56pm
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JPE



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United Kingdom 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red
Thanks Daphne that's good to know.
Post #1043506 21st Aug 2024 9:31pm
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Dinnu



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Malta 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Santorini Black
roche1800 wrote:
Thanks for all the messages.

IT IS ADVISORY. LR ADVISE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS 80k miles

What’s a good all round OBD for IOS please


I use a generic ELM327 with wifi capability. I had no problems with it so far, but keep in mind, most, even the more expensive ones come from the land of the cheap.

For software there are many availably on the App Store. No affiliation with the authors, but I find Car Scanner quite a good software. It can read DPF load. I think it might be accurate enough. On my Defender it reads 40%. I connected it to a Fiesta with DPF issues, and was reading 98%. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #1043512 22nd Aug 2024 2:00am
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macfrank



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Germany 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green
roche1800 wrote:

IT IS ADVISORY. LR ADVISE LIFE EXPECTANCY IS 80k miles


Anyone ever heard of this? I thought it'll last until you have the _red_ DPF light.
Post #1043573 22nd Aug 2024 6:16pm
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