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swt



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Wife's defunct Discovery Sport
I would appreciate any wise advice on the following.

The wife's Discovery Sport (2018, 120,000 miles) has suffered a complete engine failure. (Causing a consequential failure of both sense of humour and enthusiasm for JLR - a Golf GTE appeared on the drive the next day.)

Taken together with some unrepaired panel damage from a recent tangle with one of our stone walls, the cost of replacing the engine means that the vehicle is not worth as much as once it was. It can't be part-exchanged, and the scrap value is negligible. Without these problems, it might have been worth £7-£8k. What best to do to salvage best value from the pile of technology sitting SORNed on the drive?

I see there are a few online sites that claim to buy "non-runners".
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Procta



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you could break it your self, Not sure if you get much off it or have the time, but its one option. Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Evil Elsie



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Hello,
Ignoring the obvious trap of suggesting a gallon of fuel and a match - didn't they have the same PSA 2.2 lump that was used in the Freelander 2..??
I'll bet they're cheaper and more of them in Scrappys.

£2k could potentially have it moving under its own steam again..🤔

Cheers, Dave. 2002 Land Rover 110 Td5 Utility
1990 Suzuki GSXR 1100L
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swt



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Thanks for the helpful suggestions. I'll look into the engine option - my son might be up for that.

I did wonder about breaking it myself. You'd really think that with careful disassembly, every washer bottle, trim piece, switch and seat will be useful to someone on ebay. Might involve more time bubble wrapping and going to the post office than it does taking apart!
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blackwolf



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Breaking it yourself is time consuming, requires space, you'll have a semi-dismantled vehicle knocking around for quite a while, and you will end up with all the useless bits you will need to dispose of, which are often harder to scrap than a fairly complete vehicle (a shell with no wheels isn't easy to move). That being said, it will probably get you the best return.

The easiest way to get rid of it is to sell it complete as a non-runner (or get someone to take it away free-of-charge, depending on the value you put on it).
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Have you thought about reaching out to a YouTube channel that does salvage cars? The one immediately springs to mind is Salvage Rebuilds UK (Chris and Rob?) they buy all sorts. 1999 Defender TD5 110

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Moo



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I suspect it's the Ingenium engine. Fuel dilution is an issue as well as timing chains.

My neighbours Evoque died because of the timing chain six days out of warranty at 35,000 miles.

However, heard chain rattle on my daughter's 2018 DS and LRA booked it into LR and they fitted the new upgraded chain. Oil dilution is still an issue but changing the oil every 6 months resolves that.

Anyway, I'd wary about a scrap engine with unknown history.

Is this worth a punt?

https://nwsmotorservices.com/engine-models...el-engine/

At 120,000 miles though, it might be a case of cutting your losses. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.
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Evil Elsie



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Of you do decide to replace the engine;

PSA DW12
The 2.2 L (2,179 cc) DW12 has a bore and a stroke of 85 mm × 96 mm (3.35 in × 3.78 in). Unlike the initial DW10 designs, it was fitted with 16 valves from the beginning, and made its debut in the 2000 with the Citroën C5, Peugeot 406, Peugeot 406 Coupe, and Peugeot 607, being used only in the larger models. In 2006 it was added to the PSA/Ford family, with power reaching 170 PS (125 kW; 168 hp). Peugeot added the engine as an option for the Peugeot 407 and the now facelifted 607, between the 2.0 DW10 and 2.7 DT17. Land Rover used this engine in the Freelander 2, Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque. Available as both 160ps or 190ps, Peugeot 4007 and Citroën C-Crosser used the same motor. The unit was used in a longitudinal mounting in the Jaguar XF from 2012 until 2015 in 163 PS or 200 PS, though some early 2012 cars were available as 190 PS. A different 2.2 L engine, Ford's ZSD-422 with a displacement of 2.2 L (2,198 cc) was used in the Citroën and Peugeot LCV range of vans.

The text above is from Wikipedia but names plenty of different vehicles that use essentially the same engine....

It's an option if you know people with the necessary skills - it's also a gamble as pointed out above... 👍👍 2002 Land Rover 110 Td5 Utility
1990 Suzuki GSXR 1100L
1980 Yamaha RD 350LC
1976 Yamaha RD 400C
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Barneyboy



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excossack wrote:
Have you thought about reaching out to a YouTube channel that does salvage cars? The one immediately springs to mind is Salvage Rebuilds UK (Chris and Rob?) they buy all sorts.


I’d second the above advice give Chris and Rob a try 100% Thumbs Up cheers Paul
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swt



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Thanks everyone. Lots to ponder. I will report to Management and see what they want to do.
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blackwolf wrote:
Breaking it yourself is time consuming, requires space, you'll have a semi-dismantled vehicle knocking around for quite a while, and you will end up with all the useless bits you will need to dispose of, which are often harder to scrap than a fairly complete vehicle (a shell with no wheels isn't easy to move). That being said, it will probably get you the best return.

The easiest way to get rid of it is to sell it complete as a non-runner (or get someone to take it away free-of-charge, depending on the value you put on it).


a trip down to the local tip, and a couple of hours with a large angle grinder, to have the shell etc in pieces. Put a post on the local have your say facebook group stating scrap metal at x address, and it will sharp go. We did this with an old MGF, before facebook really took off, i was already to set to weigh the car in, when i got up and found that the scrap lads and cleared it for me, when i was making a brew. All i had to do was clear up a few bits and pieces, which went to the local tip. Thumbs Up Defender TD5 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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Could a post on the freelander or discovery forum generate interest in the project?
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TexasRover



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Yeah we had a Disco 4 Tdv6 crater on us, predictably I would say given that engine's poor reputation. It was at that point that I realise that modern complex vehicles will effectively be throw away from one day to the next.

The engines are too complex to pull out, with very little space. Replacement engines (or parts) are not that easily available and expensive. Unless the car is fairly new you are looking at a write off.

We spent EURO 14k and 8 months later we sold it as a non runner for 4K.

I am also done with the modern diesels, yes they are efficient but the emissions are too fragile and expensive (I still have my Td5). I drive much less now and petrol is much more suitable. Also smaller simpler cars are the way to go if you want to hold on to your money,
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I agree TexasRover.

The Puma 2.4 is the latest Defender diesel engine I would go. Still a simple engine.

The only other diesel engine id have is the Range Rover SDV8 pre-adblue.

Petrol for anything else now. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
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Evil Elsie wrote:
Of you do decide to replace the engine;

PSA DW12
The 2.2 L (2,179 cc) DW12 has a bore and a stroke of 85 mm × 96 mm (3.35 in × 3.78 in). Unlike the initial DW10 designs, it was fitted with 16 valves from the beginning, and made its debut in the 2000 with the Citroën C5, Peugeot 406, Peugeot 406 Coupe, and Peugeot 607, being used only in the larger models. In 2006 it was added to the PSA/Ford family, with power reaching 170 PS (125 kW; 168 hp). Peugeot added the engine as an option for the Peugeot 407 and the now facelifted 607, between the 2.0 DW10 and 2.7 DT17. Land Rover used this engine in the Freelander 2, Discovery Sport and Range Rover Evoque. Available as both 160ps or 190ps, Peugeot 4007 and Citroën C-Crosser used the same motor. The unit was used in a longitudinal mounting in the Jaguar XF from 2012 until 2015 in 163 PS or 200 PS, though some early 2012 cars were available as 190 PS. A different 2.2 L engine, Ford's ZSD-422 with a displacement of 2.2 L (2,198 cc) was used in the Citroën and Peugeot LCV range of vans.

The text above is from Wikipedia but names plenty of different vehicles that use essentially the same engine....

It's an option if you know people with the necessary skills - it's also a gamble as pointed out above... 👍👍


I believe the PSA 2.2 litre was only used for the first model year of Discovery Sport (Freelander3)
The OP's car will be the JRL Ingeniun 2.0, also known as the IngeniBOOM due to it's reputation.

Retro fitting a 2.2 is not a option, due to the tighter emissions standards for the later cars.

Sorry to hear of the problems.
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