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mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Scotia Grey

i love the d5, but my sense is the Def in standard form is probably a fraction more capable Mike

8th Nov 2023 2:22pm

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

The RR is arguably the best of the lot i would say new and old. Mike

8th Nov 2023 3:15pm

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2735

But would you go to a pay and play site in a brand new Range Rover unless your dad owned an oil field in the Gulf

The Defender is bad enough, but put branch scratches down both sides of a new RR and you'd be sobbing into your corn flakes the next morning

8th Nov 2023 6:18pm

RDR

Member Since: 27 Apr 2018
Location: Derbyshire
Posts: 592

Bramble rash buffs out of the l460 just as well as the defender trust me

110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV
D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten

8th Nov 2023 7:19pm

Chicken Drumstick

Member Since: 17 Aug 2020
Location: Near MK
Posts: 713

RDR wrote:
Both All Terrain

I would argue the chassis set-up and suspension on the Defender have the edge on the D5 for off-road. Software is the same but it was able to raise its self much better. I also noted the RR gets itself across slippery fields much better than the D5 did and that's a much heavier PHEV.

Interesting, thank you.

8th Nov 2023 9:07pm

Chicken Drumstick

Member Since: 17 Aug 2020
Location: Near MK
Posts: 713

Tim in Scotland wrote:
While the TR programs are very clever the car is still jolly good if you just leave it in comfort mode, select low range, use command shift sequential gear changes and used HDC if necessary. It will work fine offroad without needing TR on the Pivi Pro screen if that has failed for some strange reason.

I wasn't really meaning the screen. More the entire traction system. Any Disco2 owner will be familiar with the 3 Amigos error. Which turns most D2's into having all the off road ability of a milk float.

If the traction control or centre diff control stops working on a new Defender, say to a sensor or wiring issue. It would be pretty useless in most off road situations and would end up 1wd, just like a D2 does with the 3 Amigos.

Chances of this happening now are probably pretty remote. Although LR products have suffered electronic niggles in the past. The risk is in say 15-20 years time when they become more affordable used. But also older and likely less well maintained.

8th Nov 2023 9:14pm

geobloke

Member Since: 06 Nov 2012
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 4410

I saw this earlier on my FB feed... Looks suspiciously like the same Defender, but down at Claerwen dam

https://www.facebook.com/4x4AdventureOverl...tid=zDhOQc

8th Nov 2023 9:26pm

stevemfr

Member Since: 18 Sep 2022
Location: Strasbpurg
Posts: 137

lightning wrote:
But would you go to a pay and play site in a brand new Range Rover unless your dad owned an oil field in the Gulf

The Defender is bad enough, but put branch scratches down both sides of a new RR and you'd be sobbing into your corn flakes the next morning

Definitely a problem. I always had to use a LR/RR (mine were mainly RR's up to now - I still see them all as LR's) for a while before venturing where I knew I'd potentially cause damage.

LR's waiting time for the delivery of a new D250 or 300 110 solved that issue for me last winter. I bought a 'slightly' damaged but nearly new D250 110 (609kms..) rather than waiting nearly a year. As it's been pre-damaged I won't have any worries this time.

BTW, that tree leans nearly 35° naturally. Very windy there.

RRC 2Dr, RRC 4Dr,
P38, and 2 L322s,
2 FL1s and a L663 on the way

8th Nov 2023 11:07pm

Moo

Member Since: 01 Oct 2021
Location: UK
Posts: 1352

RDR wrote:
Bramble rash buffs out of the l460 just as well as the defender trust me

Agree. I’m of the mentality that you use it for what you need and it was designed for. Too man6 people are too precious. Eiger Grey MY23 D250 SE with bits. Known as Noddy.

8th Nov 2023 11:36pm

BruceT

Member Since: 01 Nov 2010
Location: South Africa
Posts: 517

I have a few scratches after all my trips into the deep bush but in all honesty I think the defender has a tougher paint than most vehicles. I know that sounds strange but I own a few hilux's for my rental business and those things scratch if you look at them sideways. The defender has a few scratches but 99% buff out with a light polish.

I agree with Moo, use it for what you bought it. If you want a show car dont go off road.

Nice trees in Scotland...

The Defender is extremely capable even when towing. I recently crossed the Runde river in Southern Zimbabwe, which was about 500mm deep and about 200meters wide, with a very sandy exit and about a 1.5 meter climb out of the water while fully loaded and towing a very heavy off road caravan. I was also too lazy to deflate tyres. The Defender did it with ease thankfully, as I saw about 15 crocodiles lurking close by

The defender is more capable than any requirements ive had so far. Have you seen where I took it in my latest video? We even found Dinosaur footprints believe it or not.

What a machine! "Overlanding With Bruce" - Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@OverlandingwithBruce
11MY Defender 130
23MY Defender 110 D300 HSE X-Dynamic

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzrHKcjA-LJ470_H4QwPgVA

9th Nov 2023 6:39am

lightning

Member Since: 23 Apr 2009
Location: High Peak, Derbyshire
Posts: 2735

Now that's using the Defender for what's it was designed to do.

Most don't see this kind of use, little chance of seeing any crocs in Waitrose car parks.

l can imagine the crocs talking

"ls that one of those new Defenders"
"Yeah, 900 mm wading depth on them"
"Not like some 4x4's. We had a group come through the river last month in Jeeps. Two of them broke down in the water, hardly had to move from here, it was like breakfast in bed"

9th Nov 2023 8:00am

steam_simon

Member Since: 24 Sep 2022
Location: London
Posts: 82

geobloke wrote:
I saw this earlier on my FB feed... Looks suspiciously like the same Defender, but down at Claerwen dam

https://www.facebook.com/4x4AdventureOverl...tid=zDhOQc

Good Spot! Yes, that's my Defender! Thanks for the post. I wondered how high the stream was. I was focusing on driving rather than the wade sensing on the screen!

BTW, anyone wondering about the leaning tree, blame my wife. I was driving!

9th Nov 2023 9:07am

geobloke

Member Since: 06 Nov 2012
Location: Nottinghamshire
Posts: 4410

steam_simon wrote:
geobloke wrote:
I saw this earlier on my FB feed... Looks suspiciously like the same Defender, but down at Claerwen dam

https://www.facebook.com/4x4AdventureOverl...tid=zDhOQc

Good Spot! Yes, that's my Defender! Thanks for the post. I wondered how high the stream was. I was focusing on driving rather than the wade sensing on the screen!

BTW, anyone wondering about the leaning tree, blame my wife. I was driving!

You're welcome.

Super lane that below the dam. I have not done it in a while but I remember it being rocky and quite slippery when wet.

9th Nov 2023 9:10am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

lightning wrote:
But would you go to a pay and play site in a brand new Range Rover unless your dad owned an oil field in the Gulf

The Defender is bad enough, but put branch scratches down both sides of a new RR and you'd be sobbing into your corn flakes the next morning

Ive taken mine, yes Mike

9th Nov 2023 10:06am

mse

Member Since: 06 Apr 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 5035

geobloke wrote:
steam_simon wrote:
geobloke wrote:
I saw this earlier on my FB feed... Looks suspiciously like the same Defender, but down at Claerwen dam

https://www.facebook.com/4x4AdventureOverl...tid=zDhOQc

Good Spot! Yes, that's my Defender! Thanks for the post. I wondered how high the stream was. I was focusing on driving rather than the wade sensing on the screen!

BTW, anyone wondering about the leaning tree, blame my wife. I was driving!

You're welcome. Super lane that below the dam. I have not done it in a while but I remember it being rocky and quite slippery when wet.

Ive not driven it for a while (nor the one around the dam) but i remember it having some really tricky sections? Mike

9th Nov 2023 10:15am

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