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Screbble



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
A Frame ball joint
Got fed up of looking at the nice Gwyn Lewis greasable Lemforder A frame ball joint and housing, so braved the cold, damp weather and fitted it.

I appear to have got my moneys worth out of the old one - which was gradually deteriorating.



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Only little snag was I had to trim my 30mm socket but other than that a fairly straight forward job.



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Post #1012858 27th Oct 2023 2:01pm
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Sicastle71



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You must be psychic set off to my dads on Fri checked the wheel nuts and found the rear axle rocking and knocking and a failed a frame ball joint 😟 so need to get they sorted
Post #1013002 28th Oct 2023 4:57pm
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Screbble



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Zambezi Silver
I’d offer you my old one but…

You can of course borrow my ‘special’ 30mm socket and a second pair of hands if you need it 👍
Post #1013003 28th Oct 2023 5:04pm
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Dinnu



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Re: A Frame ball joint
Screbble wrote:


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That shows a steady hand Thumbs Up 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
Post #1013007 28th Oct 2023 5:27pm
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The hands are still steady but it’s the eyes that have gone wonky 👍
Post #1013008 28th Oct 2023 5:30pm
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Ianh



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I bought a cheap short impact socket and cut it down just like you with a cutting disc in my grinder.
Then used my Milwaukee 1/2 inch impact driver and an impact extension bar. It span straight off and to my delight the taper instantly broke loose from the axle.
Also fitted the Gwyn Lewis adjustable and greaseable ball joint pre fitted in fulcrum. Took less than an hour including putting away all the tools. I guess I was lucky
Post #1013012 28th Oct 2023 6:27pm
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Screbble



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I wasn’t that quick but still did pretty well. I doubt many would beat your record!

I don’t have an impact gun - only brute force and ignorance 👍

I used a breaker bar and lots of rude words.
Post #1013014 28th Oct 2023 6:37pm
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Ianh wrote:
I bought a cheap short impact socket and cut it down just like you with a cutting disc in my grinder.
Then used my Milwaukee 1/2 inch impact driver and an impact extension bar. It span straight off and to my delight the taper instantly broke loose from the axle.
Also fitted the Gwyn Lewis adjustable and greaseable ball joint pre fitted in fulcrum. Took less than an hour including putting away all the tools. I guess I was lucky


Want to do mine? Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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Post #1013520 1st Nov 2023 1:25pm
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geobloke



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Good job Screbble Thumbs Up I have just done Miffy's but used a 30mm ring spanner instead of a socket. I couldn't see how to get one in there Rolling with laughter You are a much more determined person than I am.
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Mossberg



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Same here, had to use a ring spanner. I also wouldn't have thought you could get a socket on it, so well done.

Mine took a bit longer - managed to get the old one out, cleaned the saddle (?) With electrolysis before pressing the new joint in. Used a lemforder one, but a standard unit. I did consider fitting a grease nipple but was worried I would cock something up!
Post #1013566 1st Nov 2023 5:57pm
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Ianh



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Grenadier wrote:
Ianh wrote:
I bought a cheap short impact socket and cut it down just like you with a cutting disc in my grinder.
Then used my Milwaukee 1/2 inch impact driver and an impact extension bar. It span straight off and to my delight the taper instantly broke loose from the axle.
Also fitted the Gwyn Lewis adjustable and greaseable ball joint pre fitted in fulcrum. Took less than an hour including putting away all the tools. I guess I was lucky


Want to do mine? Whistle



It’s a bit of a long way to go Very Happy , just use plusgas on the nuts ,bolts and taper each day for a few days beforehand, get your SHORT 30mm hex impact socket in the same profile as the one above ( a cheap one is circa £6) , cut it down by a total of 5mm inc cut, no more or it there won’t be enough socket on the nut , grind a 45degree chamfer on the socket shoulder and you will find it pops in nicely on the puma welded axle bracket.
I think I used just an impact extension bar but may have used an impact universal joint as well.
If you have an impact wrench life is a lot easier but a breaker bar will do the job.

I did mine with wheels on the ground and as I said it popped out of the taper when nut span off, but some people support chassis so rear wheels are an inch or so off the ground to add additional breaking force on the taper. A sharp tap with a hammer on the welded bracket can shock it loose as well.

The two nuts on the two fulcrum bolts came off easy with the impact wrench as well and the bolts just tapped out with a gentle tap with a hammer.

I really think the plusgas ( not wd40 as it’s not a releasing fluid ) made the difference .

Another advantage of using a socket as opposed a 30mm ring spanner is you can use a torque wrench to correctly torque the new joint nut.
Post #1013578 1st Nov 2023 7:16pm
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Screbble



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Ian H stole my thunder!

I too used Plusgas multiple times on the weeks leading up to the ‘exercise.’
All bolts came out easily.
My wheels were on the ground.
I also modified the socket as you know.
I did attempt to use the 30mm ring spanner but couldn’t get sufficient leverage. I was also lazy and left the ARB in situ which was getting in the way Confused
A straight long extension and breaker bar did the trick (I had 3 Wheetabix).

So for me the work went far better than I expected, but I’m still getting Ian to do it ‘next time’ Rolling with laughter Bow down
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geobloke



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Blimey only 3 weetabix... Just imagine what you could do with a forth or even a sprinkle of sugar on top Rolling Eyes Unstoppable... Rolling with laughter
Post #1013610 2nd Nov 2023 8:31am
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Ianh



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Screbble wrote:
Ian H stole my thunder!

Applologies Mr Screbble

Screbble wrote:
I’m still getting Ian to do it ‘next time’ Rolling with laughter Bow down

You don’t need me, just a good impact wrench Very Happy
once you have one you wondered how you ever managed without one. The best Christmas present I ever bought myself , it’s a Milwaukee “fuel” 18v half inch drive, not cheap but has a massive amount of torque and has four preset torque settings so you can start low and work your way up. I’ve never had to use setting four so far. Most spin off at 1 or 2 but that’s generally because I use plusgas on any fitting that looks like it could do with some releasing agent before you “swing a spanner at it.”

I don’t use it all the time as most bolts and nuts are fine with a 3/8inch or 1/2 inch ratchet, but when it comes to those more difficult large nuts or bolts it’s invaluable.
Post #1013629 2nd Nov 2023 10:53am
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Screbble



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geobloke wrote:
Blimey only 3 weetabix... Just imagine what you could do with a forth or even a sprinkle of sugar on top Rolling Eyes Unstoppable... Rolling with laughter


Steady on now…with that amount of energy I may even consider taking on the wiper motor/mechanism job… Laughing
Post #1013684 2nd Nov 2023 6:30pm
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