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gcc130 Member Since: 05 Jun 2015 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 733 |
I think it’s unlikely that the mod fitted the 2.5l Diesel engine. As far as I’m aware all military series 3’s we’re 2 1/4 petrols.
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3rd Apr 2023 1:18pm |
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gcc130 Member Since: 05 Jun 2015 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 733 |
Sorry, double post.
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3rd Apr 2023 1:18pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
Thanks for the reply I guess it's something else to ask the owner. With it being registered in 93 its had 8 owners as I guess the MOD doesn't count as number 1. Some of those 8 will have keep every record others that didn't but whether it got passed on I'll have to find out. 300tdi 90 CSW
2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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3rd Apr 2023 1:48pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17307 |
You do know that there is absolutely no difference in cab size between a 109 and an 88 (or 110 and 90 for that matter), so you will either fit in both or neither.
Agree with gcc130 that it is extremely unlikely that the 2.5D was fitted in MoD service. It is not unknown for the 2286cc (series) motor, whether petrol or diesel, to be recorded as 2.3L, but as far as I am aware the MoD didn't run any diesel 2286cc series vehicles, they were all petrol. I'm confused by your statements about registration. You say built 1980 and registered 1993, which is consistent with a vehicle in military service cast in 1993 and registered then. You also refer to it having a "V" plate, which, assuming you mean a "V"-suffix plate, reflects a 1980 vehicle. This suggests that it was given an age-related plate when registered in 1993. YOu then however go on to say "I wouldn't want to spend the time & money to find out I can't register it on it's current V plate" but presumably the vehicle is already registered, so why would there be any doubt about this? Edit: two typos corrected. Last edited by blackwolf on 3rd Apr 2023 5:30pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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3rd Apr 2023 3:42pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
I would like a project that's not bicycle related (self employed bike mechanic) but I want one and i'll just have to learn to fit
Last letter on the registration plate is V which I thought was 1979/1980, this I thought tied it in nicely with what I found on the DVLA website - manufactured in 1980. I've just been sent a picture of the vehicle identification plate so I will try to research the details on that. It was first registered in 1993 but must have been given the plate dated to its build year. I am guilty of confusing the issue and myself too 🤯 Would there be a way of finding out when the replacement engine was fitted without any documents? It must have an engine number but how do you find details from that? Thank You Matt 300tdi 90 CSW 2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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3rd Apr 2023 4:46pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
Code decodes as Series 3 109 truck cab/soft top/hardtop/ 2.25 petrol/ rhd 4spd up to 1983-84 Solihull
I also have a con no, Reg no, Ces No, Code no and if a N.S.N no its unreadable. Assume military so researching. 300tdi 90 CSW 2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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3rd Apr 2023 5:06pm |
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gcc130 Member Since: 05 Jun 2015 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 733 |
The engine number will only tell you what the donor vehicle was and roughly what age, it won’t tell you when it was fitted to your potential project.
The 2.5 naturally aspirated Diesel engine was used in ninety’s and one tens and was used by the mod for many years after it was superseded in civilian vehicles by the 2.5 TD and then the 200tdi. |
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3rd Apr 2023 5:30pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
Thank you gcc130.
I am swaying to the 8th owners understanding that the engine was fitted during it's army days. My basis is that the 2.5na d which is currently fitted was in production between 84 & 92, this 109 was registered civilian in 92, the army (according to research) had 20k vehicles with this engine between 85 & 94 and if one was lying about for some reason easily available when a petrol wasn't it somehow got transplanted into this 109. Reasons unknown but potentially plausible. 300tdi 90 CSW 2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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3rd Apr 2023 6:03pm |
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gcc130 Member Since: 05 Jun 2015 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 733 |
I doubt they would convert a petrol to diesel unless it was for a very specific task.
The mod had plenty of rebuilt 2 1/4 petrol engines in store. |
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3rd Apr 2023 6:22pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
Very true, I guess it's one of those things potentially lost in its 40+ year history 300tdi 90 CSW
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3rd Apr 2023 7:19pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
I'm off to see Thor (painted on the roof) properly later today to have a good poke around it. The current owner also believes that he has all of the originally removed and missing parts plus many others to complete the build, comes with a tdi engine. The only parts missing are the main dash and the hydraulic lines for the power steering conversion. We shall see....
I sent a message to the Merlin Archive to see if they have details for the vehicle on their records. I appreciate the replies so far. Many Thanks Matt 300tdi 90 CSW 2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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4th Apr 2023 7:14am |
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Shroppy Member Since: 25 Feb 2016 Location: Shropshire Posts: 864 |
Not quite true, whilst the cab panels (roof and rear panel) are the same, there is a difference in the available seating positions. More adjustability is afforded in a 109 truck cab since the rear bulkhead is positioned further back. Hence the requirement for a filer plate when fitting a truck cab to an 88. 1985 127 V8 Build Thread Series 2 109" Series 1 80" |
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4th Apr 2023 1:40pm |
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blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17307 |
I didn't know that, I thought they were the same. Every day is a school day! Thanks. |
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4th Apr 2023 2:05pm |
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MattH268 Member Since: 01 Dec 2021 Location: Moray Posts: 66 |
Good to have a close up look around but it's not one I could justify as I reckon you'd need to almost start again. The search continues.
Thank you for your replies. M 300tdi 90 CSW 2.2tdci 110 HCPU 1972 Series 3 88" Truck Cab |
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4th Apr 2023 6:11pm |
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