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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822   
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Hi all as most of you are aware the London assembly voted the ulez expansion through to its next stage on Friday last week.
As most of you know I am just within the zone and starting to get a little concerned to say the least. I’m at the point where I’m reluctantly considering selling my wagon, as I can’t really justify paying £12.50 just to drive it. To go see my mum it’s still cheaper than the two buses and two trains to go visit her and back and it’s still three times quicker. I only really drive once or twice a week which would works out £1300 a year. I know if I were to sell her I would instantly regret it, my father had been dangling Subaru WRXs in front of me which is tempting but dread the maintenance costs. But even if I were to sell at current market value (which I’m expecting will drop considerably with Ulez confirmation) I would still be short a large sum to get a euro 6 that meets my needs (which I’m expecting every second hand Euro 6 with hike massively due to increased demand). Feels like I’m being forced to give up my hobby and that I’m being taxed because of the type of vehicle I need for work (4x4). How does everyone else feel about this? I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html  |
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21st Nov 2022 9:57am |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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Yes like congestion charge will apply to EVs too in 2025.
Like what’s the point of even trying to keep up with a moving target? I get that it’s for environment and that they want to cut emissions but what’s the bloody point when people in Kensington and Chelsea can afford to page Ulez or buy a new car whilst I can’t. According to the data the previous expansion into bother r& south circular has had little to no effect. Sounds like it’s jobs for the boys with all these new departments. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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21st Nov 2022 10:15am |
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| BrickBox Member Since: 05 Oct 2021 Location: Wales Posts: 817  
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Unfortunately, just need to accept the rising cost of owning a vehicle.
It’s a bonus if you don’t have finance - as then it’s just the running cost to focus on. It gets expensive when you’re paying a congestion charge + finance etc. Hold out another 20 years and you’ll be tax & mot exempt and I believe classic cars (will probably change) are exempt from ULEZ. 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS. |
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21st Nov 2022 10:36am |
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| discomog Member Since: 09 May 2015 Location: Notts/Lincs Border Posts: 2526 
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Even running a classic car is far from straight forward even if you do get free road tax and MOT exemption. First of all we had the problem of having to convert from leaded petrol to unleaded and now we have to venture miles to find a petrol station that sells ethanol free fuel and pay a 10 pence a litre surcharge.
Oslo Blue - I feel your pain Defender 90XS SW Mini Countryman Cooper S Morgan Plus 8 |
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21st Nov 2022 11:43am |
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| MattBW Member Since: 18 Mar 2022 Location: Warks Posts: 3
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Just announced road tax is coming for EVs as well didn't they?
 They will get you one way or another.
Must admit I don't go into Birmingham anymore, even in a euro 5. Sad thing is I see there is technology available to bring things up to euro 6 standards but no mechanism to get it changed on the V5 so a pointless exercise. |
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21st Nov 2022 12:41pm |
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| DSC-off Member Since: 16 Oct 2014 Location: North East Posts: 1401 
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Will you still be able to buy petrol and diesel in another 20 years? By then the sale of new petrol and diesel cars will have been banned for 13 years. Sales of electric and PHEVs are fast approaching 50% of new car sales now. As fuel demand reduces, supply will start to dwindle, when retailers find it unprofitable. Then there is the tax issue. Once electric cars are paying purchase tax, road tax, and tax on charging, how will the government encourage people to change to electric? Probably by taxing petrol and diesel even more. |
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21st Nov 2022 5:53pm |
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| kmac Member Since: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Middlesex Posts: 1309 
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I live within the M25. I have a 2009 USW and a 1998 Ford Galaxy both in very good condition.
Sadly I will probably have to kill my Galaxy if the Ulez is extended to the M25 Makes no sense from an overall impact on the environment. |
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21st Nov 2022 6:23pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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Unfortunately, for you at least, these sorts of zones are intended to address local air quality issues rather than the overall environment. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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21st Nov 2022 8:43pm |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2634  
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So nothing to do with the fact that the 'Mayor' said at the beginning of the year that the original ULEZ zone didn't bring in the revenue that they were hoping for....
If everyone inside the M25 went EV tomorrow and any EV vehicle tax planned went to the Treasury, then London would introduce another form of charging people to move around. Councils have become a law unto themselves. |
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21st Nov 2022 9:25pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I was just explaining the principle rather than the politics. LEZ's, anywhere, are a local measure rather than a wider environmental one. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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21st Nov 2022 10:01pm |
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| kmac Member Since: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Middlesex Posts: 1309
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The fact the Mayor is discussing the revenue impact of the ULEZ and not the impact on local air quality I guess says it all.
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22nd Nov 2022 1:57pm |
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| OsloBlue Member Since: 14 Jul 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 822
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It’s not so much that or local councils most of the outer councils in the expansion round have been surprisingly vocally against expansion. The GLA/GLC however want a monopoly on all transport in and out of the capital. A toll either by train, tube, bus, cable car, monorail and car. They’ll eventually start taking pedal bikes. I'm on IG: https://www.instagram.com/osloblue42/ Current: TD5 '110 "Lucinda" Thread here: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic62562.html |
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23rd Nov 2022 12:58pm |
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| kmac Member Since: 07 Oct 2009 Location: Middlesex Posts: 1309
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Yep - Greater London should change its name to Elysium
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/elysium_2013 |
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23rd Nov 2022 2:30pm |
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| Huttopia Member Since: 23 Feb 2016 Location: West Midlands Posts: 1972
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A friend in London had the same issue and sold his rather smart 90 to Tim Elliott. He did the obvious thing and replaced it with a very smart mid 70s Rolls Royce, which is of course ULEZ compliant.
How about a nice v8 Disco or RR? |
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24th Nov 2022 12:34pm |
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