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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17441   
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I used to run 285/75 BFG Muds but in the end settled for 255/85s, which are the same diameter but narrower and as a result have better road manners. They fill the arches nicely but don't plaster the outside of the vehicle with crud.
The choice of tyre in 255/85 is limited, but if you want BFG Muds anyway it is a good choice. The wheels are Blindos.  Click image to enlarge |
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2nd Jan 2021 12:04am |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40 
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That's a nice truck, that is a good suggestion re: tyre sizes, thankyou.
Would 285s and 255s work on these wheels or do I need new wheels ? Click image to enlarge Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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2nd Jan 2021 8:14am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17441
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Strictly speaking a 285 is too wide to be fitted to Boost alloys (and the tyre manufacturer is likely to recommend that you don't, and some fitters may decline to do it), however there are many people (including myself) who have done this without any particular problem.
You will however find that the turning circle is adversely affected since the offset of the wheels, combined with the width of the tyre, means that the tyres rub on the radius arms with great enthusiasm! Believe me it is quite embarrassing when you have to take a shunt to get round a mini-roundabout, or to turn out of a narrow side-road into a narrow road! The usual solution to this is to fit 30mm spacers, but this makes the Fun Police angry and they'll tell you that this is dangerous (there is no particular reason why it should be, it is more of an Internet myth, but they'll be along in a minute to tell you anyway). I would imagine that a 255/85 should fit on a Boost without any problem, and although it may compromise the turning circle slightly it is unlikely to be enough to be a problem. |
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2nd Jan 2021 10:50am |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 823  
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I have been looking for new tyres/wheels for mine to replace the std steels.
In Spain I thought I had it cracked some 16” twisted alloys with the tyres that they passed the load test with 235/85 x 16 but the authorities ( itv inspection office ) said as the alloys were 9” wide that they would not allow the 235 even though it had been fully tested on the alloy wheel certificate. As that side tyre should be used up to a 7” width according to there charts. So roll on now 18” 😂😂😂 Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing. 5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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2nd Jan 2021 11:17am |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40
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Just been out to check, and the tyres that are on it are 235/85s, so presumably these are the standard size that LR fits ? I would be happy to stick to that size for the MTs, although it is more the wheel offset I am concerned about, I would like a bigger wheel offset to increase the turning circle even more and fill the arches better,
The turning circle was abysmal when I bought the vehicle, so I screwed the steering stops in until the wheels are just very lightly touching the radius arms on full lock, and that has improved things. So I think what I am looking for is some wheel recommendations, what about the black ones that were an option from new ?Not sure what they are called ? Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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2nd Jan 2021 12:04pm |
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| Race.it Member Since: 27 Aug 2019 Location: Algeciras Posts: 823
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Sawtooths? Searching for my first Defender...and started just as Covid hit, so talk about timing.
5 months after starting the search I found it, and here is the details |
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2nd Jan 2021 12:07pm |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2029
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This is a handy post to understand wheel sizes, offsets and the outboard protrusion of various wheel types. https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic35064...ost+offset.
Blackwolf - looks like you have been advising on this for at least 5 years now 
So for instance comparing boost and sawtooth’s with the same tyre fitted the sawtooth would be 4.4mm further away from the radius arms and so 4.4mm Further outboard into the wheel arch. Conversely the boost would be 4.4 mm closer to the radius arm and 4.4mm less outboard in the wheel arch. I don’t expect it will make much difference to the turning circle with the larger tyres as the choice of tyre width makes the biggest difference. 235/85/16 = diameter 31.7 inch, width 9.3 inch (standard size) 265/75/16 = diameter 31.6 inch, width 10.4 inch 285/75/16 = diameter 32.8 inch, width 11.2 inch 255/85/16 = diameter 33.1 inch width 10 inch https://tiresize.com/comparison/ - updated link - this enables tyre size comparison. https://tiresize.com/wheel-offset-calculator/ added link for wheel offset calculator So that’s why I think most go for the 255/85/16 if they can get the tread pattern they are after, which as blackwolf stated is limited to a few suppliers and tyre types. Ps I’m running 265/75/16 Goodyear wrangler duratrac tyres on sawtooths with no rubbing , good turning circle and good road manners. They fill the arches well. However next tyre change I’m thinking of 255/85/16’s as they fill the arches even better but just hope there will be more tyre choices in that size in a couple of years. Last edited by Ianh on 2nd Jan 2021 6:01pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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2nd Jan 2021 12:55pm |
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| Timcat Member Since: 20 Jul 2016 Location: Rugby at the moment Posts: 1025 
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We run 255/85/16 Mud’s on std boost alloys with 30mm spacers. Never had a problem with them but I’m considering 0 offset steel rims ( so we don’t need the spacers) Just for the simple reason we are going to be doing extended trips in remote areas.
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2nd Jan 2021 1:38pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17441
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I think you mean decrease! |
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2nd Jan 2021 4:05pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17441
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It is one of the more regular questions!  |
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2nd Jan 2021 5:38pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8050  
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we run 255.85s on our off road biased vehicles fitted to boosts and no spacers, its workable on a 110 for us.
Currently running 235.85R16s on ET0 Rims on 130 for better turning circle. also working very well and better gearing with this setup on my 130 which is quite heavy! Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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2nd Jan 2021 5:41pm |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40
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Thanks all, that is some really good info. I was knowledgeable about 300 Tdi tyre sizes once upon a time, but the Puma is a different animal with different wheel options, and that was many years ago. It's like learning again.
Sawtooths, is that what they call the black ones, I like those. Ianh thanks for the info, I think an extra 4.4mm offset would be great, I just need to source a set of 235/85 16 BFG muds with sawtooth alloys, that could be expensive. Might do it in two pops, tyres first, followed by wheels when funds/wife allows. Thanks guys, this is a really helpful site. PS Blackwolf thanks for the info, yes, sorry I meant decrease the turning circle oops. Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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2nd Jan 2021 6:32pm |
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| Alex L Member Since: 22 Jan 2018 Location: South Northants Posts: 134 
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My 90 with 285s on Sawtooth alloys and 30mm spacers. Yes they protrude beyond the arches slightly but I like the look. The handling is slightly impaired by the tall tread but again doesn’t bother me as I’ve only done about 1500 miles in two years in it.
Click image to enlargeUntitled by Alex L, on Flickr |
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2nd Jan 2021 6:35pm |
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| Two90s Member Since: 24 Dec 2020 Location: Southern UK Posts: 40
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Found this in the landrover brochure for the 2012 model year. Doesn't say anything about the offsets.
Click image to enlarge Puma 90 XS Station Wagon in Keswick Green 2012 2.2 Tdci |
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2nd Jan 2021 6:49pm |
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