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seriesonenut



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Spotlamp location - MOT fail?
You know how it is, Christmas eve and suddenly you remember the set of Hella 3000 Rallye lamps sitting in the garage.

So with a bit of ingenuity involving angle iron and G clamps this seems the only place they could go without buying a soft a bar.

Some will hate the look but I like the retro vibe and these remind me of the Cibie Oscars I once had on a td csw.

The question is would that be illegal? I cant try to check the pattern of the light beam just yet so before I get all carried away is it a non starter?

hella1 by Richard Holmes, on Flickr

hella2 by Richard Holmes, on Flickr

I think the only other option is to go for an A bar setup but ther £300 + price tag is putting me off...... 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2
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blackwolf



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Why not move them inboard and mount your number plate higher?
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seriesonenut



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The Air-con grill sits too far forward to do that unfortunately 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2
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blackwolf



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Why not move them inboard and further forward and mount the number plate higher? Very Happy

I suspect your only legal issue would be if the beam cut-off was compromised and the top part of the lens and reflector are more significant than the bottom in that respect, but they will cast a big shadow exactly where you don't want one.

Alternatively stick them on eBay and use the proceeds to buy a smaller modern light which works better!
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LR Nuts



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put them back in the garage Rolling with laughter

they just don't look right .
Post #975678 24th Dec 2022 5:30pm
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ickle



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I had KC daylighters (6") and now Warn dipping G4 approx 6 1/2" across in that position, straight through the top of the bumper without ever having a problem - but those Hellas do look a tag larger...

HTH Keith
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cee-b



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This is what the Road Vehicle Lighting Regs says:

2.  Position–
(a) Longitudinal:
No requirement
(b) Lateral–
(i)Where a pair of front fog lamps is used in conditions of seriously reduced visibility in place of the obligatory dipped beam headlamps–
Maximum distance from side of vehicle:
400 mm
(ii)in all other cases:
No requirement
(c) Vertical–
(i)Maximum height above the ground–
(A)Any vehicle not covered by sub-paragraph (B):
1200 mm

Surprisingly, The MOT Testers' Manual doesn't say anything about position (I think it used to) so it can't legally be an MOT fail regardless of where you put them. the only issue might be if they are deemed to interfere in any way with the headlight beam.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection...tion-4-5-1

But, on a personal level, I don't think they look right Neutral
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bankz5152



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Non issue.

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Post #975681 24th Dec 2022 6:11pm
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Litch



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Personally I love the retro look and have traditional Hella spots on my bumper however I don't have the aircon grill that you do but mine still sit proud (I do have a Nakatanenga grill that is flush).
If you wanted to reduce the impact you could cut a few slats out of the plastic grill directly behind to reduce the overhang (I did this years ago with a different set of lights).


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Litch



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Hopefully a better photo showing the overhang.
You would probably need a flat bracket to push yours further forward.



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 ONE LIFE, GET IT!
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I also have 6" KC's . limited as to where I can fit mine because of the Husky, but this size and placement don't give any issues,
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LR Nuts



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Just don't go the whole hog Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
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Stacey007



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Could you fit / make like a plinth the type that you put car badges on? AA / RAC and put them closer to the center of the grille?


This type of idea


https://www.masai4x4.com/Bumper-Light-Bar-...-p43564713


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144594621988?ha...R8zyoOKpYQ
Post #975747 26th Dec 2022 11:15am
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seriesonenut



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Thanks Stacey007, the Masia bar might work. 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2
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cretesimon



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Fit them and just remove for mot hahaha
Post #975782 27th Dec 2022 7:16am
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