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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2619   
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VED is higher isn’t it…?
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11th Nov 2022 10:25am |
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| jim4244 Member Since: 13 Apr 2014 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 773 
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£290 per year Jim |
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11th Nov 2022 10:35am |
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| ibexman Member Since: 13 Dec 2008 Location: Essex Posts: 2945 
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I must say I liked the dash in my then new 2007 puma didn’t like 1st gear . I went back to td5 in 2009 and have remap v8 5th gear 1.2 transfer with ATB An arb diffs it’s as good adit gets will cruise at 75 all day regards Chris
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11th Nov 2022 10:58am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2619
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Thats ok Jim, some are eyewatering these days and expect them to go up again at the next budget. Interested in the Heavey Duty description. My HT doesn't say that  |
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11th Nov 2022 11:50am |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5662 
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My late Td5 is £560 per year road license. Costly, but still only just over £10 per week, and then I’ve got the best vehicle
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11th Nov 2022 12:03pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17331 
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It is much easier to change from 2nd to 1st or vv. on the move in a Puma than it is to change from 1st high to 2nd low or vv. in a TD5. Additionally the superior torque profile of a (stock) Puma makes it less likely to be necessary than that of a (stock) TD5 which has nothing like the low-speed torque of the TD5. The TD5 is undoubtedly a more refined engine than the TDCi, and ultimately the choice of which is "best" and which you prefer is a very personal choice. As a general rule (and as a general rule there will without doubt be exceptions) if cars - especially modern ones - and other SUVs are your background, you are likely to find the TD5 more to your taste as an engine. If HGVs and working trucks are your background you're likely to favour the TDCi. If you want a leisure vehicle the TD5 is more likely to float your boat, if you want a working tool the TDCi probably will. The interior, and the overall driving experience, of the TDCi is better than the TD5. Your second row passengers in a 110 are more likely to survive and accident in a TDCi (I have no idea how LR were allowed to fit seats without head restraints in vehicles as late as 2007). Your driveline will last longer in a TD5 probably because the engine is smoother and has less low-down torque. The only way to decide what is best for you is to drive both and make up your own mind. Comments like this:
... whilst undoubtedly the sentiment of many are generally not helpful towards making your mind up (my personal opinion is that the last REAL Land-Rover was the SII because it was the last to have no significant plastic components) and it has to said lots of folk were putting Ford engines (Dagenham or Cologne V6s usually) into Land-Rovers by choice long before Ford started putting Ford engines in Land-Rovers. WHy would you put a Ford engine in a Land-Rover? Because it is a "better" engine! |
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11th Nov 2022 1:56pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17331
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Curiously I have only once met a TD5 with a half-decent R380, one of the world's least nice gearboxes. I have never (yet) met an MT82 which hasn't been an order of magnitude superior in almost every respect. Which I guess goes to show that there are good and bad examples of both. |
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11th Nov 2022 1:59pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17331
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Probably built with HD suspension or a heavier-than-standard MAM. What are the plated weights for the vehicle? |
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11th Nov 2022 2:00pm |
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| Mother superior Member Since: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Surrey Posts: 504
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I don't know what flavor of gearbox is in a D2 TD5 but mine was a pig until she had warmed up. Oh woe, oh woe
My crusty old landrover, It will not go. |
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11th Nov 2022 2:05pm |
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| jim4244 Member Since: 13 Apr 2014 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 773
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Is the corrosion protection any better on the Defenders fitted with the Puma engine?
Jim |
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11th Nov 2022 2:18pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17331
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That would be an R380, same as the TD5 Defender. Not an unusual characteristic and not at all endearing. It can be mitigated sometimes by changing the oil. Last edited by blackwolf on 11th Nov 2022 2:27pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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11th Nov 2022 2:26pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17331
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No, it got worse as Land-Rover's interest in the vehicle decreased, as, arguably, did build quality. One of the undeniable disappointments with the Puma-engined Defenders was the fact that the engine installation design was low-budget engineering, by which I mean that the minimum of related work was done. The result was the inadequate adaptor shaft coupling design, the transfer box lubrication problems of the early vehicles, the fragile fuel system, the inadequate front diff, the sump which could be ripped open by the front propshaft, and one or two other things which should have been discovered and fixed before the vehicle entered production. Most of these were never fixed, and were left to the vehicles' owners to fix. |
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11th Nov 2022 2:26pm |
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| Mother superior Member Since: 05 Aug 2013 Location: Surrey Posts: 504
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Can't argue with that. There is a certain feeling of "this engine will not go in this car" "just pop it in anyway, there's a good chap" about late Defenders Oh woe, oh woe
My crusty old landrover, It will not go. |
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11th Nov 2022 2:36pm |
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| Racedriver Member Since: 24 Jan 2019 Location: Buckinghamshire Posts: 113 
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In my humble opinion (and I have had a LOT of different Land Rovers), the TD5 is less likely to throw a wobbly and go into limp home mode plus is no more thirsty than a TDCi. However, the better gear ratios and heater make a TDCi a nicer place to sit as a family wagon, especially for those not getting the enjoyment of driving.
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11th Nov 2022 2:40pm |
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