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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426   
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Good day ladies and gentlemen.
I have searched the forum, but I could not come to a firm conclusion if I should change the timing sprockets as well when I do the timing chain. What is the general consensus out there? I find a lot of kits without the sprockets. I am planning to do this job on my 2.2, @110kmiles, and nephew 2.4, @150kmiles. I think both are on the original chain. Searching for suppliers with sprockets, the link below seems to be reasonable cost. Manufacturer is 'FAI'. Has anyone used them, or should only consider OEM/JLR? https://www.onlinecarparts.co.uk/fai-autoparts-7982274.html 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Nov 2020 6:05am |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426
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I agree Co1.. guarantees perfect meshing...
I am also not worried about the labor costs as will be a diy. Just confused why so many suppliers provide the kit without the sprockets.. then it is not a kit anymore, or at least I think so! But they must be selling it otherwise would discontinue. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Nov 2020 6:11am |
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| HardCharger Member Since: 03 Mar 2013 Location: Manila Posts: 740  
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From what I read somewhere, chain, sprockets, guides, there may or may not be a tensioner, seals, and a new timing cover for good measure
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25th Nov 2020 9:23am |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834  
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All of the above and a new timing chain cover is essential - they are flimsy and not easily re-usable.
Good plan to replace timing chain - mine gave up @ 105k miles causing catastrophic engine failure -  Click image to enlarge Shrapnel in No. 1 cylinder. No warning/timing chain rattle - it's shrouded by plastic  Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. |
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25th Nov 2020 1:42pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514  
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At what age / mileage do LR advise a timing chain replacement? Is it different for the different engines??
I have a 2.2. Just wondered when I should be budgeting? |
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25th Nov 2020 2:03pm |
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| shropshiredefender Member Since: 05 Jun 2017 Location: Shropshire Posts: 834
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As far as I know there is no service interval given by LR or Ford to replace timing chain.
But it is a single (not Duplex) affair. Many seem to be capable of high mileages - but some do not. You feeling lucky?  Just because you're offended doesn't mean you're right. |
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25th Nov 2020 2:35pm |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3514
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Nope
Thanks for the reply. Seems weird as usually timing belts are the issue, not chains. As far as I know, we used to have Transits with 150k regularly which I can’t recall ever having an issues. Does the Transit suffer in the same way? |
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25th Nov 2020 2:53pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426
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The intake cam sprocket is only in mesh with the chain at 5, maybe 6 chain links. If the tensioner cannot take up all the slack, then possible it could jump a tooth. But I also see that there is very little clearance between the intake sprocket and the timing chain housing. If unlucky, 2 links can jam there and cause catastrophic failure of the chain, and of the rest.
Regarding the timing chain cover, yes, I read that they are easy to damage while removing, although I also read of success using sharpened putty knives. I have removed thin pressed steel sumps from Japanese engines and reused with success, but if they are not too expensive, I will get one cover as a backup. My wifes' VW Polo also has chain driven timing. And also a simplex chain. I guess manufacturers consider cars as disposable items... which might be true for most of them, but not a Defender. I think I rather change complete kit, rather than risk it. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Nov 2020 5:14pm |
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| Oldowner Member Since: 26 Dec 2018 Location: South west Posts: 625 
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I am going to do my 2.4, it is on 120K, along with the piston jets as I have removed the engine from the defender to do the clutch and crank seal.
I researched kits a month or two ago and decided that I will only buy genuine Ford kit - I looked at FAI and FebiBilstein but there are a few horror stories around - for the extra £100-£200 is in my opinion well worth the peace of mind. I picked up a NOS genuine Land Rover timing cover off eBay for £18 a month or so ago! |
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25th Nov 2020 6:01pm |
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| Oldowner Member Since: 26 Dec 2018 Location: South west Posts: 625
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No, I told a lie, the NOS cover was £10.50!
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25th Nov 2020 6:13pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426
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Thank you for this. This is also information I have been looking for. Do you happen to have the Ford part number for the kit? 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Nov 2020 6:17pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426
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Oldowner gave me an idea.. I searched on onlinecarpart.co.uk but under transit, and found more options, including and SKF part. Not sure on SKF chain quality, I know they make good bearings. And it is cheaper than FAI.
I also found the Ford part number.. will check with local Ford agent. Click image to enlarge **************** IMPORTANT EDIT *********************** From SKF site, https://www.vsm.skf.com/mt/en/products/VKML84006 VKML84006 is the correct one for LandRover, not the partnumber in the embedded image. Price is £100 more because owning a Defender means you can afford spending £100 more than the white van man. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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25th Nov 2020 6:25pm |
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| Dinnu Member Since: 24 Dec 2019 Location: Lija Posts: 3426
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Called local Ford dealership spares department. Was a struggle to get to the right part with them as do not have any Transit chassis number. That said they were very helpful, even though I stated it is for a LandRover (different dealership). They quoted €300, which when I asked if it is the complete kit, i.e. including the sprockets, they said NO, thats without the sprockets. Sprockets come at a tad over €100 each.
So I also enquired with the local SKF reseller for VKML 84006. This kit is complete with all sprockets, and was quoted €300. Only problem is that it is out of stock even from SKF so there will be a few months of waiting time. I think SKF shold do the job as good as the genuine Ford. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing 2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black |
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26th Nov 2020 10:47am |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 499  
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SKF is most probably original supplier
German gearbox, German injection (the 2.2) and perhaps à German timing chain, too |
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26th Nov 2020 9:09pm |
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