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Procta



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it was only a matter of time
well what a surprise Rolling Eyes

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Post #970839 11th Nov 2022 11:23pm
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pjm-84



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Not sure it was. What happens come 2030?

A better article on the matter,

https://www.ft.com/content/405467f9-c3cd-4b4d-bc48-2582890e7820
Post #970840 11th Nov 2022 11:41pm
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markb110



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Just getting my deck chair, bacon sandwich and mug of tea, will sit in front of the smug neighbours house just to watch the blood drain from his face as he opens the curtains……. Whistle

It was always going to happen. You can’t tell the public to replace one thing with another and not expect the government of the day NOT to allow a ‘what shall we tax today’ opportunity go to waste.

And with the weight of them the potential for road damage is greater. They don’t call my home town Land Rover country because everyone has one, noooo, it’s because you need one because the roads are so crap and falling apart.

Anyway, must go, the kettle is boiling…….. Rolling with laughter
Post #970850 12th Nov 2022 6:46am
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pjm-84



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Why is it going to drain? It will not be retrospective.

FT article mentions 2025/26 but who knows? However its has been talked about due to the rise in EVs , 2030 looming and how the government will "plug" the loss of VED / fuel revenue. (which stands at £35billion per annum)

Its been done numerous times in the recent years, reducing the grant to buy and less emphasis on emissions within the VED post the first year VED.
Post #970856 12th Nov 2022 8:06am
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BrickBox



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Does that mean every new electric car over £40k will be in the top tax bracket for 3 years? 2008 2.4 110 Utility Station Wagon XS.
Post #970857 12th Nov 2022 8:12am
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LR Nuts



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well we as owners of New Defender have to pay 'Posh car' tax
Post #970860 12th Nov 2022 9:08am
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kenzle8a



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pjm-84 wrote:
Why is it going to drain? It will not be retrospective.

FT article mentions 2025/26 but who knows? However its has been talked about due to the rise in EVs , 2030 looming and how the government will "plug" the loss of VED / fuel revenue. (which stands at £35billion per annum)

Its been done numerous times in the recent years, reducing the grant to buy and less emphasis on emissions within the VED post the first year VED.


They will have to balance the books, the EV will create some form of nightmare for the treasury. Its nigh on impossible (at present) to add duty to domestic EV charging, esp if you have a solar set up to charge your car, I don't think even the tories would stoop to taxing sun light (for now)...

I suspect some form of monthly vehicle license being levied, if you take a modern ish Euro 4 car pre 2006 doing 12k a year (I will use my Mini as an example)

Tax = £220 a year / 18 a month.
Fuel Duty over 12k miles at £1.61 a litre (in my car thats about 24 tanks of fuel a year) = £996 in duty.

So an electric car owner might now be looking at at least something similar of £1216 a year of £101 per month to have an EV.
Post #970862 12th Nov 2022 9:16am
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pjm-84



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Sure is going to be difficult. I can see VED coming for EVs. But taxing electric soley for vehicles/ and monitoring it, will be difficult so you're left on pay per mile. But then you will need to apply to all.

Not a lot of options. Probably a tax on paid EV charging and the benefit that additional renewables bring will be offset by duty at source. Ie we will become use to high electric costs
Post #970874 12th Nov 2022 11:43am
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Tim in Scotland



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EV owners are already taxed on their cars - you charge at a public/ commercial charger and pay 20% VAT on your charge cost, if you charge at home without solar panels then you pay 5% VAT on the electricity. The more electricity you use the more VAT you pay. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #970924 12th Nov 2022 8:12pm
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Jabberwocky



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Well not exactly a surprise is it. They have to raise a certain amount, as the number of low emission cars go up and the number of high emission decreases the only way to keep raising that money is to start taxing cars you previously didn’t tax🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
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blackwolf



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I have little doubt that the future will be road pricing and paying by the mile, probably on top of some form of non-usage-dependent punishment tax.

I am so glad that I am not of the next generation! Laughing
Post #970996 13th Nov 2022 5:34pm
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