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custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20447

Clutch failure poll type comparison.

For curiosity, I thought it would be interesting to ask everyone what mileages the have achieved on each and every clutch they have had and what was at fault when you had a problem with it.
It’s widely known that nearly all of us with a 2.4 and 2.2 Puma has had at least one clutch replacement or multiple.

I’ll start the ball rolling…

40k (problem was slave, pinhole fluid leak plus springs became weak). Clutch and slave replaced, existing Flywheel okay as it was and output shaft fine just re greased and refitted).
Symptom was excessive slip, incredibly light clutch and delayed drive by a few seconds when into each gear.

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88k (problem unknown yet, will update in due course *later edited it was a friction plate spring failure*).
(I predict possible, failed slave, spring fell out or pilot failure).
Symptoms are light clutch feel, when warmed up after approx 5 miles or so cannot get into gear.
Happens randomly, typically at pulling up to a junction and can’t then select 1st to pull away again.
When cold acts as normal, clutch fluid nearly emptied and black but no sign of obvious leaks.
Master cylinder replaced and re-bled but not solved the issue.

So;
clutch 1 40 k
Clutch 2 48k
Clutch 3:-
Both (1&2) were Genuine LR clutches and 2.4 slaves, next I’m having the Sachs Transit 4x4 version fitted and the 2.2 slave, valve and adaptor. No Guts, No Glory.
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Last edited by custom90 on 13th Sep 2022 6:35pm. Edited 2 times in total

11th Sep 2022 9:55pm

Siwynne

Member Since: 04 Nov 2016
Location: West lancs
Posts: 580

2013 110 USW

1 38k replaced when output shaft was replaced dealer said slave was in a poor state
2 pending as per recent thread at 121k

Last edited by Siwynne on 12th Sep 2022 7:05pm. Edited 1 time in total

12th Sep 2022 5:56am

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2530

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Watching this thread as it will be interesting to see how many clutches are replaced due to outside influences ie caused by leaking slave cylinders or replaced as a consequence of a failed spigot shaft. Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S
Morgan Plus 8

12th Sep 2022 7:11am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8053

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

32k clutch springs rattling, cover plate, friction plate and slave changed
93k still going (touching wood) Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

12th Sep 2022 8:43am

macfrank

Member Since: 05 Nov 2015
Location: somewhere in the north
Posts: 1081

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Also watching with interest. Only 30k mls, so far no problems.
Could you add model year?

12th Sep 2022 2:59pm

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 812

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

1st clutch change August this year: 2007 90SW, 80K miles, clutch springs rattling so replaced along with slave cylinder.

12th Sep 2022 3:37pm

wyvern

Member Since: 13 Dec 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 2117

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Firenze Red

2012 2.2 110
- first clutch changed due to slave cylinder failure - but clutch it self was changed due to poor condition at the same time - clutch under warrantee - not sure of the milage at that time.

- 2nd clutch changed 4 yrs later after intermittent problem - proved to be spigot bearing - clutch and other systems in good order, however LOF clutch fitted and both master/slave cylinders changed at the same time for upgraded versions, as was the output shaft at the same time.

Not sure of the actual milage but probably in the region of 50k between the changes

Poppy - TDCI (Puma) 110XS 2.2 - Camper conversion - see the build here - https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic56530.html
Elgar -TDCI(Puma) 110XS Dormobile - now sold
Devon & Cornwall 4x4 Response - DC126

12th Sep 2022 5:18pm

piechipsandpeas

Member Since: 12 May 2021
Location: Albany, Western Australia
Posts: 215

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver

2013 2.2 110SW

Clutch / slave cylinder and spigot bearing replaced at 69K miles. Slave cylinder seemed to be sticking when operating the clutch pedal which was the reason for doing the work. Fluid was very dark even after recent fluid change. Clutch plate material was fine although springs were loose.

13th Sep 2022 12:16pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3644

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

2011 def90

from memory

original replaced at about 11k rattling replaced by LR

second rattling when car was at about 22k (11k ish) replaced by IRB with LOF roadspec

LOF one rattled the transmission worse than the knackered LR ones, it rattled the transmission annoyingly for about the first 10k or so but has slowly settled down and is now at 44k (22k) and not rattling the transmission nearly so much, now infrequent (I believe LOF may have addressed this on later drive plates with different damper springs in the centre)

I didn't see the first one but the second one had very loose main springs although they were not about to come out and the flywheel and pressure back plate were unmarked DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

13th Sep 2022 12:55pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20447

I have had mine (3rd) clutch fitted today, it was a friction plate spring that had let go on clutch no2. (Luckily came out between the friction plate and cover).

Flywheel in good condition @ 88k and output shaft also in good condition again at @88k.

So new MC (I fitted that). slave and clutch kit went in. Output shaft and splines regreased and refitted and flywheel fine as it was which is the original.

I thought this thread would be interesting, as you can see a bit of a pattern between wear characteristics as each person posts.

I am hoping this time will have more longevity to it, hopefully.

No Guts, No Glory.
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13th Sep 2022 8:42pm

Simon dlb

Member Since: 26 Mar 2022
Location: Nairobi
Posts: 12

30k miles for clutch, but only because I had the gearbox out for the slave cylinder. Also did the power output shaft. Clutch was in pretty poor condition too. Puma 2.4 2010

19th Sep 2022 12:38pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17448

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

I'd have to dig out the records for exact numbers but as I recall my 2007 Defender is on its fifth clutch with number six waiting to go in asap, and every one has been replaced due to the failure of the springs in the driven plate. It is on its second slave cylinder (I replaced the original when I fitted the last clutch at about 150k miles because it seemed a good idea) and original master cylinder. Clutch five has done better than the preceding four and has lasted 110k miles but now has no springiness in the driven plate and is pretty unpleasant. It had the first two clutch changes under warranty during its first two years and was on number three by the time it reached 30k miles.

There is no doubt that the early Puma clutches were really, really bad. They have improved however, and are now just not very good. My next will be a 4x4 Transit driven plate which is supposedly better.

We should however be thankful that JLR did at least revert to a single mass flywheel and sprung driven plate and move away from the disaster that was the TD5 DMF.

19th Sep 2022 2:50pm

MadTom

Member Since: 10 Sep 2013
Location: Olomouc
Posts: 625

What DMF disaster on TD5? Have seen quite a lot of cars, with more than 300 000 km done on original clutch and DMF. On our D2 I have 240 000 km on original DMF, at 140 000 km clutch was replaced, because of gearbox overhaul, and it has still 50%. "Drobek" = The Small One - Discovery 2, "Blufínek" = The Blue Thing - Defender 130, and for me at least Ford Mondeo

20th Sep 2022 10:07am

piechipsandpeas

Member Since: 12 May 2021
Location: Albany, Western Australia
Posts: 215

Blackwolf, what clutches have you had fitted, have they all been standard LR or a mixture of aftermarket types?

20th Sep 2022 11:27am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17448

Up until now they have all been genuine LR of whatever spec was latest at the time. The one I have waiting to go in is a Transit 4x4 clutch, since I've heard good things about them.

It is worth noting that the first clutch in my '07 lasted under 10k miles, the most recent 110k miles (more than twice the mileage I've ever got from a TD5 DMF, by the way). LR has slowly managed to improve them.

20th Sep 2022 12:52pm

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