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karlp606



Member Since: 19 Aug 2021
Location: Hull
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United Kingdom 1997 Defender 90 300 Tdi CSW Firenze Red
Bargain for someone
Post #923200 28th Sep 2021 1:18pm
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SJM2018



Member Since: 06 Jul 2018
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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Aintree Green
Listed as a CAT B - my understanding is that these cannot be repaired and must be stripped for parts.

What a shame, looks like it needs a new window and frame, door and maybe a roof.

The conspiracy theorist in me reckons that this is an insurance company scam. Get all defender right offs listed as CAT B's so they can't be repaired, so the supply of used parts increases and the risk of having to settle claims for stolen parts decreases! 2011 CSW XS 90
Post #923203 28th Sep 2021 1:26pm
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Go Beyond



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Cat B’s can go back on the road

https://www.adrianflux.co.uk/category-b-insurance/
Post #923208 28th Sep 2021 1:38pm
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karlp606



Member Since: 19 Aug 2021
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United Kingdom 1997 Defender 90 300 Tdi CSW Firenze Red
Yeh not sure why its been listed as a CAT B!?
I reckon most defenders that are on the road are CAT B or C lol Rolling with laughter Rolling with laughter
Post #923209 28th Sep 2021 1:41pm
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jimbo55



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Annoyingly you have to have the correct license to break a vehicle so have to pay their fees to go and break on their site otherwise they won’t let you buy it

SJM it’s not as simple or cheap as you think for the insurance company to rebuild it, most will insist on brand new genuine parts which takes the price up (a 90 roof panel alone is c.£4500) and any damage no matter how small should be rectified and for things like the tub they should replace the whole hole lot and not just one skin as they can’t get an “as new” repair done. Also the Labour rates at the “approved repairers” they want to use are up there with main dealer rates as they know hey can charge what they want
Post #923211 28th Sep 2021 1:58pm
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s55shh



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Copart make you sign an indemnity before you can bid on Cat B that states you will be liable for any costs of taking it back off the road again.
Post #923214 28th Sep 2021 2:12pm
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Caterham



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going off at an angle here....

did anyone notice the ultragauge in the dash binnacle?

someone off here?
Post #923216 28th Sep 2021 2:28pm
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htb2



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Could not see it for the speaker in the load bed, says it all.
Post #923232 28th Sep 2021 3:54pm
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karlp606



Member Since: 19 Aug 2021
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Caterham wrote:
going off at an angle here....

did anyone notice the ultragauge in the dash binnacle?

someone off here?


I noticed that, thought thats had some sort of extra??
Post #923233 28th Sep 2021 3:58pm
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SJM2018



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Aintree Green
Jimbo - I get that using the proper stuff is expensive, but I'm sure I read somewhere that CAT Bs were normally recorded when the cost to repair was more than 200% of market value.

Assuming the retail price of £22k is correct, I can't believe that it would cost more than ~£44k to repair that damage.

I would understand a S/C, but a B just seems a bit harsh.

Although taking my tinfoil hat off, the trailer and difflock lights are illuminated, so maybe there's more to it than the obvious damage. 2011 CSW XS 90
Post #923239 28th Sep 2021 4:30pm
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Likeomg



Member Since: 29 Jun 2012
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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
Just take a look at the price of a genuine puma bulkhead...

I have 3 i paid circa 700 for from LR, i think retail is now 4800. so yes... 4100 price increase.
Post #923313 29th Sep 2021 1:09am
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blackwolf



Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey
It does make me wonder if that has been incorrectly categorised, I don't see how it can possibly be a Cat B unless the person who inspected and categories it has no clue how classic Defenders are constructed (I actually don't see how a classic Def could ever be a Cat B under the rules).

If it was a new Def then it would be a Cat B, so I wonder if someone has their wires crossed.

It's sad to see a perfectly repairable vehicle being scrapped unnecessarily, and hardly very "green" for this day and age.
Post #923347 29th Sep 2021 8:43am
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90 Dreamer



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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
there may be other factors involved and we used to see various things like multiple claims, etc affect Category status when I used to buy salvage years back

you used to have to sign a disclaimer to the Salvage Yard / Insurance company that the shell would be crushed and only used for parts (cat A / B) - indeed they normally had their ID removed / obliterated to stop them re-appearing on the road
not sure if this is still enforced??
its also classed as "waste" once written off hence you require both a waste transfer licence (if transporting) and also a licensed premises for dismantling
Post #923351 29th Sep 2021 9:11am
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