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| Likeomg Member Since: 29 Jun 2012 Location: Lake District / Newcastle Posts: 2642  
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I just travelled into Europe for work today... wowzers. about 1 hour with immigration before I was granted entry, full baggage check, proof of funds all sorts
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4th Jan 2021 10:22pm |
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| SteveG Member Since: 29 Nov 2011 Location: Norfolk Posts: 661 
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Unfortunately the British public voted for it, and all of these companies have had plenty of notice to put procedures in place. So if they’re not supporting sales to UK or UK companies selling to EU then it’s down to them - either laziness or it’s not a priority for them.
The only politician to blame is Cameron for offering up the referendum to buy votes for reelection. The rest is down to your fellow citizens who voted yes. |
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5th Jan 2021 7:41am |
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| dorsetsmith Member Since: 30 Oct 2011 Location: South West Posts: 4554 |
The rest is down to your fellow citizens who voted yes. and thank god we voted out
time we started making parts in GB |
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5th Jan 2021 8:00am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 1034  
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Yesterday I completed my last ECSL. It's the most pointless tax document that ever existed. It lists who I sold to in the EU and confirms that no VAT was due and no VAT was paid. If I send it late, I'm fined. If I collect the wrong VAT numbers, I'm fined. It achieved nothing and was solely due to the way the EU manages VAT.
This quarter, I just have to fill out a regular VAT return with UK sales. Easier for me to sell in the EU now as it just counts as a 3rd country. The new VAT registration in the EU will apply to all sales between EU countries from July. It's only been applied earlier here as we're not part of the delayed start. The only impact of Brexit is that we're having to apply the rules earlier. |
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5th Jan 2021 8:08am |
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| rockster57 Member Since: 15 Nov 2014 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 937 
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On the other hand..... Fortunately the British public voted for it and as the deal was only reached on 24/12/2020 all of these companies have not had plenty of notice to put procedures in place. So if they’re not supporting sales to UK or UK companies selling to EU then it’s hardly down to them - neither laziness nor not a priority for them. The only politician to praise is Cameron for offering up the referendum in the spirit of democracy. The result is down to our fellow citizens who voted yes. The lack of time for businesses to prepare is down to our government and the officials of the EU who dragged negotiations on and on to the 11th hour. |
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5th Jan 2021 8:17am |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 502  
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In times of mass computerization and internet, the gouvernement could easily propose individual EU exits for citizens.
The Channel Islands had such a status Quo - being part of the UK while being outside EU. In this case, anybody who likes being part of another system signs virtual citizenship and can benefit from his personal opt ins and outs. Indeed, if you win or loose is more related to your personal background than to your citizenship. . Just like you can choose other insurance companies freely. |
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5th Jan 2021 10:03am |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2247 
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The simple fact is that the EU failed to convince more than half of the UK voting population that membership was worthwhile.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. 50 Shades of Pennine Grey |
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5th Jan 2021 11:38am |
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| Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3324 
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I don't believe it's down to laziness. Businesses generally exist to make money. However all of the extra red tape and bureaucracy now necessary to trade with the UK has a monetary cost. It's their choice whether to pass that on to UK customers, absorb the loss or refuse us service. We have absolutely no choice in the matter; depending on ones viewpoint we either willingly gave away or had our consumer rights taken from us. WARNING. This post may contain sarcasm. |
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5th Jan 2021 11:54am |
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| Dixy Member Since: 30 Nov 2020 Location: Somerset Posts: 51 
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Everyone is playing games. It will settle eventually when they decide if the loss of turnover is worse than the hassle.
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5th Jan 2021 1:03pm |
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| Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5839 
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If the EU companies are not getting their procedures into gear for laziness/cost/snubbing the UK, more fool them. The UK's online market place (buyers and vendors) is bigger than the rest of Europe put together, so they'll be losing out on sales that far outweigh the cost/hassle of setting up a single HMRC account. Indeed I read just yesterday that for French online buyers, the UK marketplace is second only to China. Mrs Grenadier just did a check to see if any of her shops will sell and send to Europe (John Lewis, White Company, Made etc) and they've all stopped. But I have no doubt that most retailers who really value either the EU or UK markets will make the necessary changes, but for some the income they get from the respective overseas market is too small to bother. As mentioned above, the actual deal was only signed 10 days ago, before that it could have been any number of versions of Brexit. Now we know, for sure, so they can get their systems sorted. I contacted Dan at JGS just yesterday as I need a part or two, and he said they'd be up and running again for EU orders by Thurs. Even with the extra hassle and perhaps some extra cost on delivery, I'm sure many item will still be far cheaper than buying in France. Monsieur Le Grenadier
I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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5th Jan 2021 2:01pm |
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| jerseyman Member Since: 21 Jul 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 279 |
Ouch. The C.I. are not part of the UK. |
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5th Jan 2021 4:27pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1286 
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We've fallen off a cliff.
Everyone in Europe hates us. We'll be plunged into abject poverty for three generations. The world is going to end. (And it isn't so easy to get to my villa in Tuscany any more). Or: The business "gainers" are silent, and things for a few people will be a little bit more tricky for a while. Take your pick. |
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5th Jan 2021 5:36pm |
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| Julie Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: Nantes Posts: 502
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Sorry. I intended to write " being part of the UK exclusive economic zone " |
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5th Jan 2021 7:33pm |
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| Justtellme Member Since: 23 Nov 2015 Location: Ottawa Posts: 310  
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Welcome to our world...... This is how things exist between Canada and the US. We are raped at the border and many Canadians have mail boxes just over the border on the US side to make purchases in the US.( I have about a dozen packages I cannot access at the moment at my address in NY due to COVID travel restrictions) It is far cheaper and many times faster for me to buy Volvo, Jaguar, G503 and Land Rover parts directly from the UK than to buy something 100 miles away in New York state. ( literally a few days versus a few weeks in terms of shipping as well) Most couriers charge a $35USD surcharge to cross the border and ebay charges Canadian taxes up front on US purchases now. We have one of the most integrated economies in the G7, but that means nothing when it comes to the poor lowly consumer..... Patrick |
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6th Jan 2021 2:46am |
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