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cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

Td5 rear wiper electrics

My rear wiper was fine, then it wasn't! It didn't fail while in use, it just didn't start from rest.

I checked the fuse - fine.
I checked the connections on the back of the switch - fine.
I removed the motor and put 12v across the contacts, that was also fine.

So, I conclude that the problem is either in the loom, the rear wiper relay, or the switch?

First problem - I can't find any reference for where the rear wiper relay lives.
Second problem, I don't know what voltages I should be looking for at the plugs with the plugs removed.

I have got a Haynes Manual wiring diagram and a multi-meter, but my knowledge of auto electrics is a little wanting.

I know that electrical systems contain smoke, and that if you get a small leak a little bit of smoke pressure escapes and things slow down. A big leak means all the smoke escapes and then it is knackered. No smoke has escaped from mine

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Can someone please point me at where to find the wiper relay. Also, what voltages I should expect at various pins on the wiper motor plugs.

Thanks in advance
Col

1st Jul 2020 12:08pm

rallysteve

Member Since: 10 Feb 2014
Location: Cumbria
Posts: 2237

2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Keswick Green

I would check the wiring where it runs between the rear door and body (in the convoluted sleeve) as this may well have fatigued and broken.

Does your heated rear window worK? This is normally the first thing to fail in that wiring bundle.

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1st Jul 2020 12:15pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6610

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

What year of Td5? The rear wiper electrics changed when the 2002 dash came in.

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

1st Jul 2020 12:23pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 11324

What year is your TD5? If it's post '02 and has the later rear door then the relay is inside the door itself:

Click image to enlarge Darren

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1st Jul 2020 12:25pm

cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

It is a 05, so the relay is as shown in the pic - thanks Anorak.

The heated rear window is working OK and I waggled the wires in the sleeve to see if it made a difference. I'll get back once I've checked the relay.

Thanks for the answers so far.

1st Jul 2020 12:43pm

cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

Sadly the relay works as advertised, so that is another easy fix eliminated.

All down to any advice on voltages to look for then please guys.

1st Jul 2020 1:18pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6610

Fit the relay again and turn the ignition on.

Get a length of wire, and stick one end in the relay holder cavity with the black/green wire, and tap the other end on a ground point (e.g. a nut on the door). This should trigger the relay and make the wiper run.

If it works, then the trigger from the rear wiper switch is broken somewhere.

If not, then the ignition supply to the door is the next place to look.

Martin

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

1st Jul 2020 1:59pm

cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

I did as advised thanks Martin.

Tapping the Black/Green to earth did not operate the relay.

I then took what, to me, seemed like the next logical step. I also took a 'flying lead' from the White/Green (solenoid supply) and put a voltmeter across the 2 leads with the intention of checking the voltage. This DID cause the relay to operate, but not the motor to run. After a couple of clicks of the solenoid, the 10A fuse blew. Perhaps it wasn't such a logical step as I'd thought!

1st Jul 2020 3:48pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2244

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

Most likely the wiper shaft in the motor has seized.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

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1st Jul 2020 4:25pm

cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

Thanks Mo, but no.

As I said in the original post, when I put 12v across the motor it was fine. It is well greased and really smooth running.

1st Jul 2020 4:42pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2244

My bad, I failed to spot that in the original post.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

1st Jul 2020 5:53pm

cee-b

Member Since: 25 Jan 2018
Location: South West
Posts: 117

I've done a bit more dicking about with flying leads and a multi meter.

The relay was working and putting 12v to the motor on the Red/Lt Green wire.
The motor is good - I had already tested it.
That only really left the Earth wire for the motor. Yup, that was open cct.

I'll have a look tomorrow and see if I can find the break - if not, I'll just splice in a new earth.

Thanks for the help and suggestions. Electrics are not my favourite system; anything that leaks without leaving a puddle is the Devil's work

Cheers

1st Jul 2020 7:05pm

TMAX400

Member Since: 28 Nov 2015
Location: Edinburgh
Posts: 1

2004 Defender 90 2.5 TD PU Auto Caledonian Blue

Sorry to jump on this thread with more questions, but my problem is similar. 2004 90 TD5. In rear quarter panel my white/green wire has become detached at the 6 way plug. Re-connecting it does not allow the wiper to function. However, if I apply 12v at that point to the white/green wire, wiper works.

I believe dashboard switch is a negative switch (one black/green, one black, one orange illumination wire)

So problem seems to be between dashboard switch (or front of the car) and rear quarter panel. Any ideas? Is there a relay between switch and rear quarter panel? Cheers

12th Sep 2020 5:45pm

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