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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412   
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Do it, I've tried other vehicles including Range Rovers and always preferred Defenders.
You either love them or hate them - long distances are not a problem at all. John http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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13th Jul 2011 11:46pm |
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| MuddyMarky Member Since: 01 Feb 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 548 
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I've made the move too....got rid of my 90 CSW last year and moved to a D3 (with a small error on the way), but realised I missed my defender too much. My problem was the space in the 90 wasn't enough. Always said I shouldve gone for a 110 from the off.
The D3 is nice to drive, extremely comfortable, etc etc, but there always felt like it wasn't quite me. Picked up my new 110 XS DC last week and have had a smile ever since. Felt like I was finally back, but even better! Like was mentioned above, as long as you go 'in' with your eyes open, you shouldn't go far wrong....but 80mph+ cruising will be a thing of the past.....but personally, I like that. Do it!  Mark
2011 110 XS DC Stornoway Grey |
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14th Jul 2011 4:32pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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See if you can get one on a weekend loan from a dealer. Defenders are like Marmite, while you may feel that it would be great to be part of the fraternity you may find the reality leaves you feeling somewhat differently. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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14th Jul 2011 5:25pm |
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| Zagato Site Supporter Member Since: 08 Jan 2011 Location: Billingshurst West Sussex Posts: 5013
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You might find this interesting and the comments afterwards
 http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search...-Defender/
I am getting 27 combined MPG as per the figures not 23 towing or not  He also seems to make a big issue with the steering lock, it really is what you are used to... I drive a 109 Series everyday and it's an absolute luxury to have the 110 turning circle  Supermarket parking in two moves, whats the problem - sheesh!  |
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14th Jul 2011 5:51pm |
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| MuddyMarky Member Since: 01 Feb 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 548
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The turning circle does take a bit of adjusting to (wasn't too much better in my 90 if I remember correctly)...all you have to do is start the turn earlier! Good call about the loaner, too......if you can get an extended test drive in one (weekend/all dayer would be perfect), you can really get the feel of it. And let us know how you get on! Mark 2011 110 XS DC Stornoway Grey |
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14th Jul 2011 7:10pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3709 
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Get a 130 they are so much more comfortable than a 110. I know that you think yea he is saying that cause he has one, but honestly they are that much better, I would never go back to a 110.
I average 700 to a 1000 miles a week and love every mile 130's have feeling's as well you know |
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14th Jul 2011 7:21pm |
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| markalpha Member Since: 23 Apr 2008 Location: Downham Market Posts: 690  
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D3-110-130 love the 130 a lot better ride than a 110 as Andrew said. Preferred over a D4/D3 but they have their uses. It all depends on what you want your truck to do. But a Disco will never be as cool as Defender!
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14th Jul 2011 9:57pm |
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| robpenrose Member Since: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Hampshire or Cornwall Posts: 338
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I personally at the moment dont want any new LR product. A Puma is the only LR product i would own.
D3/D4 RRS FFRR have to much stuff to go wrong. I was recently thinking of swapping my 90 TD5 for a D3 until i spoke to my indie, while i was having the 90 serviced. Personally i would worry to much about it going wrong. They are probably better to drive though. My indie pointed up at his ramp. RRS body on the ramp, chassis engine standing on the floor. He raised his eyes at me. This was monday. Popped back in yesterday to ask him something. Body still lifted off, Engine out, gear box out and all other bits in pieces. Thats 4 days later. So new LR Product (excluding defender).... With a warranty Maybe, out of Warranty.. NO. Defender any age... Yes Current:D4 HSE Gone: BMW Z4MC Gone: Defender TD5 90 CSW Previous: Discovery TD5 ES (Gone) |
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15th Jul 2011 10:00am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5068 
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TBH this is no different to any other car - especially when you look at the volumes produced, with all the LR products - including the defender - most of it is just hot air; with discussions done to death on the subject The body off seems excessive and i suppose it is, but they are designed to do that; with it actually not being that much of a big deal...just seems if from a traditionalist point of view. Actually, to some extent the body off has its advantages!! but all in any modern car is complicated and any car has scare stroies - what about ferraris that need to go back to Italy for work? Mike |
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15th Jul 2011 10:21am |
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| robpenrose Member Since: 15 Jan 2011 Location: Hampshire or Cornwall Posts: 338
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I see your point, but personally i dont have enough money for repairs which i know will be very expensive, regardless of if its the correct way of getting to a particular point. Again this is probably relevant to all new cars. However with a defender, generally repairs are alot easier. Costs of parts are probably comparable to other marques. My other point, which is regardless of money is that it would annoy me to have my car in the garage for long stretches at a time, especially if it was relatively new. Again this isnt any different to other car makes, but most things on a defender can be done in a day, and most problems wont stop them running. Im not wishing to have a mine is better than yours argument, i would undoubtably like any of the new LR models, If i won the lottery, i might have one of each, but as i earn my money, and currently only need one vehicle, my Td5 90 is the one for me. I cant be bothered with electric handbrakes that go wrong, air sus, etc etc, for basically something that does the same as my 90. Again, you may not agree with that statement, but thats my 2 pence. Current:D4 HSE Gone: BMW Z4MC Gone: Defender TD5 90 CSW Previous: Discovery TD5 ES (Gone) |
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15th Jul 2011 10:42am |
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| DefenderOfTheEarth Member Since: 09 Nov 2010 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 1304 
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Apart from cleaning our BM (far too much!), I wouldn't touch anything that needed fixing. It goes to the local (and superb) indy garage. It's too complex, too well finished to muck about with.
With the 110 (which is actually newer) I have already prepared and re-sprayed the rear bumper and a few other areas, waxoyled it, fixed a few little bits and bobs, tweaked a few bits. Although way of being mechanically useful with cars, I am still happy to tackle small and straightforward jobs. They are made to be simple to sort out - which I guess is handy as they often need it! Defender 110XS SW gone... now VW California 180 4 Motion. |
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15th Jul 2011 11:58am |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5068
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I wasnt saying it for that reason...remember until march i had a Puma defender
I would say my 90 spent more time in the dealer (2 months) in the same time ive had my range rover to date - infact my defender spent around about 10 months in the 3.5yrs in the dealer...possibly longer if i worked it out. On one occasion i had my defender back for 15 minutes after 2 weeks, before i was without it again for another week. And yes, whilst some parts, generally actually, for land rovers are cheaper - the Puma - still given its age, is more expensive on parts than say a td5...i havent looked recently, but i bet the avaliability of none genuine filters is still hit and miss. Mike |
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15th Jul 2011 12:33pm |
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| rossy Member Since: 29 Nov 2010 Location: Co. Roscommon Posts: 1296  
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gosh it does my heart good to hear all these happy folk moving from D3 ownership to Defender territory and being delighted in the process.
For years I always wanted a D3 but was put off by the high cost of ownership and reliability rumours so all this cements my view that Defender's the way to go |
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15th Jul 2011 12:43pm |
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| discocuzzy Member Since: 16 Jul 2008 Location: surrey Posts: 1200
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All have merits, loved both of my defenders but also have had no issues with D3/4
My main priority was space and safety for my new family, plus a bit more comfort as i was using the 110 for business as well. Granted a bit more to potentially go wrong on the Discovery models but personally i havent seen this. Compromise for me in the short term for my travels/green lane trips is a prepped up D3, project starts in a couple of weeks with a winch and dual battery instal,next will be a rack etc. Gone for a manual XS comercial on a 57 plate that im putting a set of seats back in, remaped, uprated intercooler, de catted etc. for the money i paid for it i would struggle to get into a good TD5, plus my 1 year old and new arrival in september will be nice and safe in the car seats. Like i said, bit more room and comfort as the wife and family all enjoy our trips, if i was catering for just myself then i would of stuck with a Defender. In a few years this may change once its clear what the new Defender will be like, until then ill stick with a D3 and the wife drives a D4. Got a rangie for sale as well if anyones interested  You cannot teach stupid people to do clever things |
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15th Jul 2011 1:42pm |
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