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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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Sone analysis of that in this article: https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufactur...d-18735304 "Vehicle sales - % change - profitable Range Rover 47,290 (16.2) Yes Range Rover Sport 74,277 (7.6) Yes Range Rover Evoque 85,106 +24.7 Yes Range Rover Velar 52,902 (18.4) Yes Discovery 33,674 (17.5) No Discovery Sport 74,568 (15.2) Yes Defender 249 (new model) Yes Jaguar XJ 3,535 (model run-out) No Jaguar XF 11,726 (56.7) No Jaguar XE 21,949 (27.9) No Jaguar F-Pace 43,388 (17.6) Yes Jaguar E-Pace 37,894 (18.9) No Jaguar I-Pace 15,867 +40.0 Yes Jaguar F-Type 6,234 (20.  No"
Although, I'm not clear what criteria, other than volume, has been used, and if so how Defender can be a yes? He also appears to agree with Grenadier and Gerry on image; “As a premium and luxury vehicle designer and manufacturer brand image is everything to JLR and its customers. "  |
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10th Aug 2020 1:50pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 
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I thought one reason for building Nitra was Boris’s Brexit with no agreement could lead to tariffs on cars imported to the EU form the UK and having a factory inside the EU gets around that. JLR still have Castle Bromwich shut down I believe, so there’s no point in moving to Honda’s old factory when they gave surplus factory space already.
Production numbers for DiscoSport, RRS and Evoque are amazing, the two cars traditionalists love to hate (After New Defender) are the cars that make the most money for JLR! We are starting to see more and more RRS owners joining the Green Road Club now and enjoying days out on the hills getting it dirty. Must be depressing for the design team that D5 still languishes In sales numbers after how successful D3 and D4 were although I’m seeing a huge number of them around these parts and yesterday on the motorway if it wasn’t an L322 or RRS that flashed or waved at me it was one of the many D5’s. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! Last edited by Tim in Scotland on 10th Aug 2020 3:52pm. Edited 2 times in total |
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10th Aug 2020 3:43pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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CB is for new electric stuff for Jag - or at least it was?
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10th Aug 2020 3:51pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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Maybe BEV/ hydrogen cell Land Rovers too then....
It would be interesting to see what a Land Rover IPace would be like. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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10th Aug 2020 3:59pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Well the sooner you stop buying new Defenders, the sooner we can crack on with the next iteration.
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10th Aug 2020 6:03pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753
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I also have an 1996 Defender that I’ve owned since 2001, I don’t need to change anything, they both do different things extremely well and some things less well but neither is truly awful or deserves to be on a scrap heap just because of its name. I don’t need to be converted to the old model. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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10th Aug 2020 6:09pm |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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I agree - I’m seeing D5’s all over the place. I see no evidence that they are not selling well. I do a lot of driving and they seem to be everywhere. I hated them when they first came out but in lighter colours with nice wheels (and I’m seeing more and more like this) I think they look gorgeous. But I still prefer the new Defender Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras! |
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10th Aug 2020 7:02pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Other than the manufacturer telling the world that they aren't?  |
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11th Aug 2020 5:55am |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Well as I just pointed out - I personally SEE all around me no evidence that they aren’t selling well!! Because I see a lot on the road. I didn’t say that they are selling well. Clearly every D5 ever sold is following me up and down the bloody country on Britain’s motorways Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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11th Aug 2020 6:59am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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No problem ~ clarification "of all around me" works fine, I wasn't sure if you were referring back to this:
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11th Aug 2020 7:14am |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Well then therefore I Personally See No Evidence they are not selling well Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras!
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11th Aug 2020 7:22am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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 Yes that works in the same way I don't have a glacier melting in my back garden so can comfortably claim that climate change isn't happening and sea levels aren't rising. |
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11th Aug 2020 7:37am |
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| Smilesapart Member Since: 28 Sep 2013 Location: Suffolk Posts: 735
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Well not really as if you’d actually bothered to read my post I said I saw loads of them all the way down from Inverness to Suffolk.
Maybe your Geography isn’t great, but that’s the North of Scotland to the South East of England! And flattering though you make think I’m royalty and own most of the U.K., I can assure you I’m not. So that sir is hardly my back garden Sold the Puma Defender and bought a brand new Pangea Green 2020 Defender D240 S with a few factory extras! |
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11th Aug 2020 7:42am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I did read your posts and quoted exactly what you said - your ability to extrapolate from a single drive to a conclusion of what - a conspiracy?
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11th Aug 2020 8:20am |
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