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spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Yes they actually said this.....

"In a world where there are too many lookalikes, freedom and individuality matter more and more."
Those immortal words come from a 1997 Land Rover Freelander brochure. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

24th Jun 2020 2:16pm

discomog

Member Since: 09 May 2015
Location: Notts/Lincs Border
Posts: 2526

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

.........and this is what they said in the Defender Brochure in 2014:-

"Immensely strong. Defender's chassis is probably the most important component in the vehicle's design and contributes to its strength, versatility and durability. The box section, ladder frame design is stronger than an open channel design and more adaptable than a unibody design."

I'm sure Jim Ratcliffe would agree with that even if JLR have buried that statement in the mists of time.

Defender 90XS SW
Mini Countryman Cooper S
Morgan Plus 8

24th Jun 2020 2:37pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17349

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Presumably that was a Freelander 1 brochure?

Even more ironic if so since I believe the F1 was His Divine Holiness Gerry McG's first design for Landrover.

24th Jun 2020 2:48pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

LR/73/97 for the Freelander 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

24th Jun 2020 2:50pm

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2622

Back in the 60’s when looking to take on the Austin Gipsy for military contracts they produced drawings to show why beam axles were better that fully independent.

Good job they stuck to their guns there.....

24th Jun 2020 3:13pm

Muddybigdog

Member Since: 11 Apr 2014
Location: Suffolk
Posts: 1016

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Zambezi Silver

should have gone with "one life - live it & fix it" Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200
Puma 90 XS - Sold
D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold)
Freelander 2 HSE - Sold
Freelander 1 - Sold
Disco 2 - Sold

24th Jun 2020 3:17pm

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2295

2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey

discomog wrote:
.........and this is what they said in the Defender Brochure in 2014:-
"Immensely strong. Defender's chassis is probably the most important component in the vehicle's design and contributes to its strength, versatility and durability. The box section, ladder frame design is stronger than an open channel design and more adaptable than a unibody design."

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24th Jun 2020 3:21pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

markb110 wrote:
Back in the 60’s when looking to take on the Austin Gipsy for military contracts they produced drawings to show why beam axles were better that fully independent.

Good job they stuck to their guns there.....

Yes all the brochures for the 90/110/Defender/Discovery/Range Rover always expounded the benefits of having a separate chassis coupled with beam axles.
Regarding "should have gone with "one life - live it & fix it", maybe they believe in reincarnation which gives you more time to fix things. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

24th Jun 2020 3:21pm

rockster57

Member Since: 15 Nov 2014
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 937

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver

discomog wrote:
.........and this is what they said in the Defender Brochure in 2014:-

"Immensely strong. Defender's chassis is probably the most important component in the vehicle's design and contributes to its strength, versatility and durability. The box section, ladder frame design is stronger than an open channel design and more adaptable than a unibody design."

I'm sure Jim Ratcliffe would agree with that even if JLR have buried that statement in the mists of time.

I'm very grateful to LR for that immensely strong chassis.....

24th Jun 2020 7:15pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

A woman reversed into my Puma 110 while I was parked ( lights on ). She said she did not see me, blue Defender with lights on. I changed the number plate, she changed the Fiesta. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

24th Jun 2020 7:35pm

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1399

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

rockster57 wrote:

I'm very grateful to LR for that immensely strong chassis.....

Hi Peter,
Hope you're alright. That's an absolute bummer, getting the truck wrecked.
At least they didn't kill anyone. Good cctv evidence, hope it helps the case against them.
Keep smiling and don't let it get you down.
Jason

24th Jun 2020 8:53pm

rockster57

Member Since: 15 Nov 2014
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 937

Hi Jason,

Thank you for those kind words. Fortunately I escaped totally unscathed. Not even the slightest twinge of whiplash. What rotten luck eh!

The collision occurred in April and the offending driver was sentenced earlier this week. He has full board and lodgings at one of HMP’s finest! And warned re likely deportation thereafter. I feel that “immensely strong chassis” LR boasted about saved my bacon. And “Peg” will rise from the ashes in due course sitting on a nice new galvanised example of (GKN) Marsland’s finest! Recompense for being defenderless for these past couple of months.

24th Jun 2020 9:18pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4646

Peter I was unaware that that was a video of you and your Defender. I thought it was something pulled from YouTube. Glad the culprits were caught but I bet it was a trying experience waiting for justice to be done. You were honest and did not hammer the insurance for "whiplash" as others seem to do. You will be glad to get the Defender back. If the chassis had not deformed in some way there by absorbing some of the impact things may have been worse. The vehicle can be repaired because it is built as it is. The new Defender might not have been repaired as someone says the cost might have been deemed to great for the company. I am sure once "Peg" returns we will be treated to photos of the new lower regions. Yep I am drooling already.

1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

24th Jun 2020 9:34pm

DSC-off

Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
Location: North East
Posts: 1399

rockster57 wrote:
Fortunately I escaped totally unscathed.

Glad to hear it!

"likely deportation" this annoys the hell out of me. Only likely. Should be certainly, for any serious offence.

24th Jun 2020 9:49pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 17349

I imagine that the moron driving the other car was uninsured?

Glad you were OK, that was a pretty massive impact.

25th Jun 2020 8:15am

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