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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581  
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I need to run this topic around the forum to see what gets raised.
My 10MY 110 has has a factory Warn 9.5 winch and winch bumper on from new. I had noticed it had sagged at the front end, but not really enough to concern me. However, it now has a Douglass Motors type 'winch bumper' which has moved the winch slightly further forward, thus showing even more drop at the front end. Has anyone been in this position before, who has been able to come up with a working solution? I get the impression that some of the drivetrain issues with the Puma are due to lifted suspension, which is what is putting me off even slightly modifying the existing LR setup. I've noticed some more drivetrain noise since the front has dropped, although it could be my Defender playing tricks on me. 
I've had people say fitting 130 standard front springs may be the way to go, and I'm aware there are HD front springs available for the 110 which won't raise the standard height like most kits tend to offer. Any comments or feedback appreciated.  Last edited by wslr on 9th Mar 2012 9:00pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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25th Feb 2012 10:17am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 8091  
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as above, 90 hardtop rears on the front of the 110 should sort it. at £20 or so a spring its worth trying anyway.
i have 90 rear springs on the front of a 90 with TDS winch and bumper, keeps it within 12mm of std height you can run a 1" lift with no problems on a defender. 2" or more and i would expect to do some more work to eliminate problems ie brake pipes, longer shocks, WA props etc. i doubt the drop on the front has made any difference to the drive train noise. if there is a noise there i would suggest its a fault developing irrespective of the front change wrt suspension height. Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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25th Feb 2012 11:01am |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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You would usually fit HD front springs when you fit a winch. If it didn't have them from new then fit a pair now. John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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25th Feb 2012 11:29am |
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| bob neville Member Since: 30 Apr 2009 Location: Marbella Posts: 3248  
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I have a set of light load TF front springs that I am going to try on mine to see if I can level it a bit after fitting my winch and TF tubular bumper.
The springs were cheap so nothing really wasted if they don't work apart from my time fitting them. If the weather continues the way it is at the moment I may get them fitted over the weekend. Bob 2015 Jaguar XE240 R Sport - goes like ....... !! 2013 Defender 90 CSW - sold 2009 Defender 110 Double Cab - sold 2001 TD5 90 CSW - offroad project - sold to a forum member 2011 Porsche Boxster - for the sunny days ! |
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25th Feb 2012 11:47am |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Glyn - I'm sure the suspension is lower than it should have been at the front. The rear is fine. It looked after the work yesterday that it had dropped at least 25mm.
James: Yes, I've only fitted a couple of complete aftermarket kits, OME or Terrafirma usually, but there is usually a lift of some sort. I don't think we've fitted anything more than 2 inch, but the vehicles and customers have been more than happy with this. A couple of people have been to us because of issues with lifted vehicles (4inch) but that was the fact that they needed all the extra bits other than springs and dampers which hadn't been fitted. I did hear someone say recently that the Puma was different in its drivertrain, and less happy getting any lifts. I guess they differ from the 300tdi/Td5 quite a lot in terms of linear/progressive springs, R380 box/MT82, transfer boxes and even prop shafts so there could be something in it. And I was probably dreaming the noises I hope...
JSG: I have a suspicion that some probably go out with standard front coil springs except where HD has been specified. Thing with the Defender production line is that anything can happen, it often depends on the PDI tech to iron out any issues. You should see the state of the screws holding the chequer plate in place... 
Perhaps I'll put it up on one of the Rotary's on Monday and check the colour coding in the springs in case they have standard ones... Then look at the 90 hardtop rears or the HD 110/130 front springs. Last edited by wslr on 25th Feb 2012 12:09pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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25th Feb 2012 12:06pm |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Bob: Let me know how you get on.
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25th Feb 2012 12:08pm |
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| MK Member Since: 28 Aug 2008 Location: Santiago Posts: 2431  
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You can fit 10mm ish rubber isolators from a Disco (ANR2938) on top of your current springs. I have done it and no probs at all. Puma 110" SW
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25th Feb 2012 11:04pm |
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| oldyella76 Member Since: 25 Feb 2012 Location: Huntly Posts: 7  
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I have ordered a 2012 2.2 puma ,pick it up next week. When I enquired about heavy duty front springs I was told by the Australian dealer that there was no such thing. I asked re 130 fronts and I was told that if I changed the front springs, even if a standard height that my warrantee would be void. My Td5 front springs collapsed 6 months after I bought it. Had a 10000 lb warn winch with bullbar. The then dealer changed them to h/duty under warrantee. So what happens over there?
Lindsay Lindsay |
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25th Feb 2012 11:52pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3708 
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Aint the front springs a different diameter to the rear? 130's have feeling's as well you know
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26th Feb 2012 8:27am |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Exactly my point. Having scanned forums, it would appear that the AULRO forums are full of this question.
Looking at the latest Microcat, there are both standard and HD front springs available for the 110 model. Part numbers here all for the post 07 models: STANDARD 110 NRC8045 - Front RHD - Yellow (fitted as a pair) 
HEAVY DUTY 110 NRC9448 - Front RHD - Driver Side (Blue Red) NRC9449 - Front RHD - Passenger Side (Yellow White) 130 NRC9448 - Front RHD - Driver Side (Blue Red) NRC9449 - Front RHD - Passenger Side (Yellow White) So, it looks like the 110 Heavy Duty front springs are the standard 130 springs... |
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26th Feb 2012 8:45am |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Just discovered this on AULRO. You may need to log in to read it. I suggest getting a cup of tea/coffee before starting.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/90-110-130-defen...ouble.html |
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26th Feb 2012 10:23am |
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| wslr Member Since: 18 Jul 2010 Location: Wellington, Somerset Posts: 581
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Checked this morning and I have 2 yellow standard duty springs on the front. Just ordered up a set of the HD springs.
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27th Feb 2012 10:45am |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3750  
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All 4 of my Puma's have had the "factory fit" front winch/bar etc fitted, I did consider a set of uprated front springs, but never found the need
More than welcome to pop in Richard and compare ? you know where i am  California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1
Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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27th Feb 2012 12:37pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17466 
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The driveline issues with the front of the Puma (real or imagined) stem from the fact that in order to allow the engine to fit, it was raised higher than preceding engines. The result of this is (according to Landrover) that the gearbox is inclined slightly back and downwards, which results in the front output shaft pointing upwards and the rear pointing downwards. This is not a particular problem with standard suspension, but a lift at the front can run the front propshaft UJ at the geabox end beyond its design fleet angle. It is also an inevitable and undesirable consequence that the drive flanges at each end of the propshaft are not parallel, which tends to cause vibration and other unwanted side-effects.
The Landrover tech who told me this also said that the inclined gearbox was the root cause of the oil leak into the HB drum recall not long ago. However, there are many people who have successfully lifted Pumas now, so it is possible, although it may be that a DC prop is advisable. As far as ride height is concerned, my 2007 110 DC has a Mantec bumper with Husky fitted (which as Glyn says is spectacularly heavy) and it hasn't made any discernable difference to ride height. |
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27th Feb 2012 12:56pm |
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