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BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

Metallic Clank/Clunk/Bang

Morning all,

I was driving around a farm in Yorkshire two weekends ago and I noticed that a loud metallic clang/bang had started on the 90. Now, it’s had a clunk from the rear diff for as long as I’ve had it and I know what that sounds like. This noise is coming from the rear half of the vehicle. It sounds like you’re driving over a particularly loose manhole cover or something under tension is being released and hitting metal. It’s a very metallic noise and, to begin with, I thought it was just metal around the farm that I was driving over. However, it continued on the way home. It happened irregularly but when it did it was when I was setting off, mostly.

Does anyone have an ideas of the cause or has anyone experienced anything similar? I’ve given the car an aggressive rocking while stationary and can’t replicate the noise. I’m going to crawl under with a torque wrench later and check that everything is tight.

For some background, the A frame ball joint was replaced this time last year, along with the rear prop UJs. The rear halfshafts and drive flanges were also replaced with HD units around the same time. The suspension was also changed back in the summer.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!

Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 8:47am

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5739

2006 Defender 110 Td5 USW Zermatt Silver

Damper rubber mounts, and prop UJ’s would be my first check. Yes you had new UJ’s before, but they can fail.

21st Jan 2020 8:57am

dorsetsmith

Member Since: 30 Oct 2011
Location: South West
Posts: 4554

The suspension was also changed back in the summer. with new damper bushes

as lower damper bushes fail check if you have movement hear

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21st Jan 2020 8:58am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

Will definitely give the UJs a thorough check.

The bushes were replaced as they came in the OME kit. However, I will check them for wear later today. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 9:12am

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 8088

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

check for perishing where that cap on the rear axle located the bush for the shock. they can cause premature bush damage or people do the shocks up so tight the bush is compressed within the cup and its doing nothing.

if you do any off roading i would remove the cup. Cheers

James
110 2012 XS Utility
130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper
90 2010 Hardtop
90 M57 1988 Hardtop

21st Jan 2020 9:20am

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

OK, I’ve been out and had a look at everything. The prop UJs have zero play in them. The shock bushes are as you’d expect for their age - still fine. The metal cups for the bushes are more like large washers with the OME kit, interestingly.

I’m using the 90 this weekend so I’ll try and replicate the noise and see if I can narrow it down further. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 12:17pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2248

1984 Defender 90 BMW M57 3.0 Diesel HT Auto Pennine Grey

Did you take the props off to check the UJs ?
That's the only way to check them properly.
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

50 Shades of Pennine Grey

21st Jan 2020 1:50pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

No I didn’t. But I’ve given them a good push/pull and watched them whilst rocking the vehicle. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 2:01pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20477

You still won't know what the UJ's condition is like with them in situ.
I found this too, and MOT stations missed it and so did servicing because the prop want taken off to check.
This caused other issues elsewhere and made it more expensive and longer lasting than it need have been.
Just removing diff end would be enough to check though.

Take a look at upper rear damper mounts too, bounce the body and look for play. No Guts, No Glory.
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21st Jan 2020 2:24pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5739

The obvious has been mentioned by me or others yet.

Is it your rear door, or spare wheel carrier. They are very well known for banging about and require adjustment.

21st Jan 2020 2:38pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

I’ll have another look at the UJs then.

I did wonder if it was something like the rear door as, once or twice, it sounded like the noise came from inside. I’ll double check but I think I had a look at the door and carrier last week. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 3:01pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5739

Jack or wheel brace, where ever that may be, even in the battery box.

21st Jan 2020 4:21pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

Ah, it could be actually. I’ve got one of the big Mercedes Sprinter jacks in the seat box and it could have moved slightly. I’ll have a look in daylight. I remember the wheel chock came loose once and sounded like something underneath was about to rattle apart. Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

21st Jan 2020 4:57pm

BaronDefenders

Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
Location: London/Cotswolds
Posts: 900

Righto, on my way back from York this clunk has developed . . . It is now a squeak and rattle at low speeds. Am I right in saying that these noises are almost certainly the symptoms of a dying UJ? Charlie

1949 Series 1 80 (SOLD)
2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)

1958 Series 2 88 Pastel Green (2019 LR Legends Best Restored)
1983 V8 110 Limestone (Previously owned by Tom Sheppard MBE)
2004 Td5 90 Santorini Black (Td5INSIDE Powered & Rebuilt by CSK)
2012 Puma 110 Zermatt Silver (Overlanding Build)

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

26th Jan 2020 3:29pm

landy andy

Member Since: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ware, Herts
Posts: 5739

Yep. Sounds like a knackered UJ

26th Jan 2020 6:12pm

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