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rockster57



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
Revs not Falling Away
2011 2.4 SW - not every time but more often than not, when I dip the clutch on a change up to a higher gear, the engine speed doesn’t drop off straight away even though I’m off the throttle. It can take a couple of seconds to do so. Occasionally the engine speed slightly increases before dropping away.

I suspect the clutch is nearing need for replacement as there isn’t much travel on the pedal. I’m wondering whether the two issues are connected? Anyone any experience of a similar problem?
Post #779086 26th Jun 2019 11:27am
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Swollock



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Bonatti Grey
I had the same the micro switch on the top of the clutch reservoir has failed and needs replacing. 2008 Defender 110 XS CSW
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Post #779088 26th Jun 2019 11:44am
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lohr500



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I wonder if your clutch switch is faulty and this may be causing the symptoms you describe?

There have been a few previous posts about the clutch switch and as far as I can tell from several replies, the switch is normally open.

So you could try disconnecting the clutch switch plug and temporarily bridging the two terminals in the connector to see if this makes any difference. Or use a test meter to see if the switch closes when the clutch pedal is pressed.

It may of course be nothing to do with the switch, but that's where I would start.

Picture of the switch/connector in the 3rd response in the following thread :

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic64710...tch+switch
Post #779089 26th Jun 2019 11:45am
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rockster57



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
Swollock, lohr500, I appreciate your ideas and suggestions. Thank you Thumbs Up
Post #779091 26th Jun 2019 11:53am
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CDN38



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Canada 2000 Defender 110 Td5 SW Bonatti Grey
Had the same issue on my Td5, disconnected the clutch switch, problem went away.... which leads to the next obvious question. What is the purpose of the switch? it's a Landrover thing...

my renovation thread:
http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic40792.html
Post #779119 26th Jun 2019 3:49pm
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sweatysock



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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Indus Silver
plus 1 for clutch switch replacement Sweatysock
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110 CSW TDCI (Puma) 2007
Post #779121 26th Jun 2019 3:57pm
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custom90



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Sounds like the clutch switch. Bear in mind unlike the TD5, in a Puma you cannot just unplug it. It must be bridged. The connectors are Junior Power Timer.

The clutch switch is supposed to momentarily reduce torque load between gear changes. (Interfering with driver input.)
If driven properly and with mechanical sympathy as everyone should it’s better to drive with it bridged. (You can make your own choices, your vehicle you chose.)
Mine has been bridged for a few years now, I had the same symptoms as you had and it’s superb to drive now.

It gives you better feel, better gear changes less sloppy gear changes and removes that aggravating increase in revs in low range.

Anti stall in both high and low range are all kept working in perfect order, in low range even better in my opinion.

If you get JPT connectors, get both male and female and a little bit of black thinwall 1mm2 with the seals and pins for the male You can then bridge it in a waterproof and dust proof manner. The other female plug, simply plug that on the obsolete clutch switch connector and seal the rear entries with black sealant. Then everything is kept clean and tidy.

I wouldn't go back to the way it was before!

Some may like it, others disagree but I prefer it.
Cost is less than £15 for a fit and forget job. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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rockster57



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^^^ Steve, cracking explanation. I wasn’t aware of any of that. I fancy that solution. Thank you for sharing. I now know what to do, why I’m doing it and what to expect out of it. Nice one Thumbs Up
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rockster57



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
custom90steve wrote:
If you get JPT connectors, get both male and female and a little bit of black thinwall 1mm2 with the seals and pins for the male You can then bridge it in a waterproof and dust proof manner. The other female plug, simply plug that on the obsolete clutch switch connector and seal the rear entries with black sealant. Then everything is kept clean and tidy.


Update - turns out it was indeed a faulty clutch master cylinder switch. Thank you everyone for your input. Custom90steve, thank you also for taking the time and trouble to detail how you dealt with the problem when you experienced it. I’ve followed your example. Instant cure Thumbs Up
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custom90



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Good job, glad your fixed and up and running.

I very much prefer the operation of it in low range, less rev rang and more control. $W33T $0U7H3RN $UG4R
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
I need to do this, where can you get the aforementioned jot connectors? Cheers

James
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jst



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 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-AUDI-VAG-2-W...SwVqlZ91Lz

Would this be right? Cheers

James
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rockster57



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Zermatt Silver
James,

I bought mine from here....

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/sect...connectors

I bought the 2 pole female and male housings plus the corresponding terminals and a few plugs to create a dust and water resistant seal.
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custom90



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^^^^ That's the ones. There are a few suppliers around that sells them also. 2 pole for the clutch switch.

If I knew the positive effects before my clutch switch failed I would have done this sooner.

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custom90



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Pics maybe of interest. Just stumbled across them from when I did mine. So thought I’d post up here.

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