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johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

Broken down in France again and now UK.....VERY not happy...

Hi all, I really do not believe this, truck broke down in France last August after ferry trip over here, it has been fine since then back in Enlgland, no issues at all, was on the ferry yesterday, drove to the house we are staying at fine, went to start it this morning, and 4 turns then nothing, no fire. See last years post by me around August time, the symptoms are exactly the same. I have no internet access apart from this phone. What the hell is it? Last time it started the next day after it was towed to the B and B the night before. Any help much appreciated. Should the crank sensor drop to zero on ignition 2 position? Have reprogrammed key fobs, really

off I have to say. 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

Last edited by johnnyd on 24th Mar 2019 5:20pm. Edited 1 time in total

18th Mar 2019 1:16pm

diduan

Member Since: 13 Oct 2016
Location: Central Balkan
Posts: 260

Try to take out the main relais undet the right seat and put it in again. This always helped mine start. Defender 110 SW MY2011 2.4tdci decat, no EGR
Jeep Wrangler YJ 1990 4.0. Front 78' Dana 60, Rear CUCV 14 bolt

18th Mar 2019 1:49pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2412

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

Yes relays and check battery terminals and grounds. Puma 110" SW

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18th Mar 2019 1:53pm

Stacey007

Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3745

Starter relay is under seat wiggle them and make sure ok,

Is immobiliser coming off?

18th Mar 2019 2:22pm

johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

Thanks for the replies, wiggled relays under right seat and in fuse box under steering column, still the same, I believe the Immobilier is coming off, the red light extinguished on the dash, still just 4 turns and no fire, then cut out. 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

18th Mar 2019 2:50pm

DG123

Member Since: 29 Aug 2015
Location: North West
Posts: 133

2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Orkney Grey

Sounds like immobiliser problem - I got recovered a couple of times in my D2 with those symptoms and it started first time when unloaded from the truck

The same D2 also loved France and never wanted to leave - broke down every year for three years; sold it for the Puma in the end. 2012 110 XS SW Orkney Grey
2003 D2 Td5 Black [SOLD]

18th Mar 2019 2:53pm

johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

Can anyone post detailed instructions on how I get to this instrument cluster plug, I am heavily suspecting that, I have no tools, only a leatherman, but I will see if I can buy some tomorrow.. like I say I can’t tether this iPhone connection to my Mac or iPad, iPhone googling and searching is really tricky on a small screen, might se if I can walk to a bar later and get WiFi. 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

18th Mar 2019 3:08pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6604

2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Detailed PM under construction...

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

18th Mar 2019 3:27pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6604

Sent

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

18th Mar 2019 3:32pm

johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

Well guess what, Martins detailed instructions were fantastic and by fate I had a torx set in the cubby box I did not know were there lol......did what Martin recommended, and it started first time, that was a temporary fix with no instrument cluster installed, so I need to find some wire cutters and a small choc a block from somewhere tomorrow.

I am assuming the ferry ramps or cobbled streets in the place we are staying have caused this fault to resurface again, odd it only happens in France lol

Martin is a hero and I owe him beers 🍺

Thanks to all who replied.

JD 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

18th Mar 2019 6:17pm

BenB8man

Member Since: 22 Mar 2017
Location: Norfolk
Posts: 429

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

Without going into too much detail, I'm guessing this is now a confirmed immobilizer problem which you've just bypassed behind the cluster?

I like to know these things just in case I find myself or another in a similar circumstance.

18th Mar 2019 6:39pm

johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

From what Martin has explained to me, it is not bypassing the immobiliser , but bypassing the Immobilier ‘diversion’ through the cluster. 2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

18th Mar 2019 7:21pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
Posts: 6604

Indeed

It does NOT bypass the immobiliser, it just removes the instrument pack from the circuit. The 2.2 are wired like this (no instrument pack in the circuit).

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

18th Mar 2019 7:23pm

johnnyd

Member Since: 13 Apr 2013
Location: Chippenham
Posts: 1006

How nice of LR to increase the possible points of failure on an off road vehicle.....

2008 TDCi 2.4 XS CSW

18th Mar 2019 7:44pm

ickle

Member Since: 22 Jul 2010
Location: South Vendee
Posts: 1777

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Alpine White

France is a big place, but just on the off chance where are you?

19th Mar 2019 7:36am

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