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peanutbob



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Galvanic corrosion
Both the lower front wings on my 12 plate 2.2 defender have galvanic corrosion which I’ve never seen before on previous pumas. I guess that there is no fillet between the steel chassis and the aluminium wings. Rather than replace both wings which will be expensive, is there a product that can be applied on the local area inside to stall the corrosion. I’m aware of Duralac which is a jointing application and then there is something called Owatrol which might be an alternative. I have sprayed liberally ACF 50 which may have slowed it temporarily during this summer.
The exterior then could be sanded, primed and repainted.
Alternatively can the wings be released enough to apply duralec in between the wing and steel ?

Thanks!


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Post #1000001 13th Jul 2023 8:23pm
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Oh dear I’ve never actually seen corrosion as advanced as that in that specific area.

I’d want to take the wings off to get them sorted out and also take a look behind to see if anything more sinister is lurking.

You can loosen the wing to create a gap in order to do what you suggest but I’m not sure it would resolve the issue.

Others will probably know better.

Whatever you go I hope it resolves it Thumbs Up
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rustandoil



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There's quite a gap between the wing and the steel footwell.... I don't know if this is Galvanic corrosion?
Post #1000039 14th Jul 2023 5:45am
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Retroanaconda



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More likely just poor paint in that location.
Post #1000042 14th Jul 2023 6:37am
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Dinnu



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The OP says "Both the lower front wings".
I know there is a steel stay there behind the mudguard, which is a flat bar between the footwell and the bolt that connect the sill panel to the mudguard. But I doubt if it is galvanic corrosion, which usually is more concentrated and happens in very close proximity to the steel part. 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
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geobloke



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How dirty is it on the back of the panel? The only time I see that level of paint bubble is when there has been a clod of earth wedged up on the rear of the panel. You may find if you feel back behind it that there are holes in the aluminium Shocked
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peanutbob



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That’s what I found when it started bubbling. I purchased the vehicle in October and several months later the corrosion started. I found loads of wet mud in the sills below both doors - the previous owner used to drive down a very muddy farm track . I cleaned them out , hosed them clean and the sprayed 4 cans of acf 50 on both sides😳
I assumed it was galvanic corrosion but maybe it’s not then ..but I thought this was the way aluminium could corrode.
Maybe I can just use duralec or similar for the inner side and repaint etc the outside of the wings…?
The rate of corrosion has slowed or even stalled but I’d like to nail it completely.

Thanks!
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geobloke



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Ahhh that'll be it then. Sorry mate, I was hoping I was wrong Rolling Eyes So now that the panel has become compromised the only real solution is a replacement panel. The corrosion will come back otherwise.
Post #1000049 14th Jul 2023 7:35am
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Linds Hanson



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Thats been full of wet mud or worse, the wing skin is now beyond repair I would get both wings off and check the bulkhead footwells for corrosion and get them cleaned up and painted.
Post #1000089 14th Jul 2023 11:13am
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peanutbob



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Thanks for all the advice. It’s booked into Taylor’s 4 x 4 in Tattenhall in a week for re waxoyling so just waiting for a quote from them for replacing the wings.
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Linds Hanson



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Please please don't put any wet waxes particulary Waxoyl near any corrosion it will multiply your problems because it does nothing to prevent the rot developing and worse actually holds in moisture to accelerate the decay. You really need to either prepare any problem areas yourself or supervise the cleaning,descaling and correct treating/repainting. Also the backside of the new wingskin needs a good couple of coats of something like Buzzweld WAR before fitting. Unfortunatley most bodyshops dont like corrosion repairs so tend to cover the area in some type of black bitumen or wax based product. I would certainly want to view the before and after prep before any wings or product is applied.
It is a good idea to fit the Gwynn Lewis mudshields after rectification work.
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peanutbob



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All understood…thanks for the advice.
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Good look - I hope all works out well and doesn’t break the bank Thumbs Up
Post #1000140 14th Jul 2023 4:55pm
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boxoftricks



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If the farm track has animal crap down it and that was thrown up inside it's probably the cause. As bad as salt.
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