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romain71



Member Since: 09 Feb 2015
Location: bourgogne
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France 
Why new defender isn't in same line than this origins ????

I is LR managers read the forums or the social network ???? The customers would a 4x4 like a the best4x4far ...

Grenadier project and ineos, the ball is with you
Post #788969 27th Aug 2019 8:43pm
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markb110



Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
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England 2002 Defender 90 Td5 HT Epsom Green

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Do you remember when we were at school we used to use tracing paper to copy drawings, did LR to the same then plonk the rendering on top of a D5 floor pan.

And the next question, which one would you have.......... Whistle
Post #788970 27th Aug 2019 8:44pm
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TACK



Member Since: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Essex
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I like it, looks like a better looking D4. Not been over on the sister D3/D4 site yet this is what in my opinion people wanted the D5 to look like, more utility and boxy, less show pony.

I agreed with Blackwolf, best looking model released in a long time from LR if you like a boxy no frills vehicle. Which I do.
Post #788975 27th Aug 2019 8:57pm
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Fat Cog



Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
Posts: 502
United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
Just picked up on the 007 new Defender photo...I think I love my Wolf & 90 XS just a little bit more today.

Truly horrific... Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains
Post #788978 27th Aug 2019 9:00pm
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LandymanStefan



Member Since: 30 Aug 2017
Location: Surrey
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England 2001 Defender 90 Td5 SW Epsom Green
I just don’t get why they couldn’t make it similar looking to the original. I just keep looking at the g wagon, wrangler and the new jimmy. They’ve got all of those through the safety and emissions stuff and they all look great. Mercedes and Jeep knows what the heritage of those products mean to their fan and customer base. I just don’t get how Land Rover could just entirely throw away one of the most iconic vehicles ever made, why could they not evolve it for ease of manufacturing, safety, engines, luxury and toys etc like the other brands have managed.

I’m just hoping Suzuki see the gap in the market for the ‘Jimny XL’ and make it exactly the same, just the size of a 90 with van options. Starting at £25k
Post #788984 27th Aug 2019 9:11pm
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seriesonenut



Member Since: 19 Nov 2014
Location: Essex
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Yup. After all the hopes and fears it tuns out to be another corporate variation of the the theme. I bet it will sell well but I cant help feeling disappointed Big Cry Stil on the bright side I love my 110 and I could have easily gone for something with more comfort but I doubt it would have had the same smiles per mile. Thumbs Up 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2
Post #788986 27th Aug 2019 9:19pm
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Fat Cog



Member Since: 19 Mar 2012
Location: Oxfordshire & Devon
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United Kingdom 2016 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
So c'mon, be honest, how many existing Series/Defender owners will wave back when they get the usual nod, finger raise etc from the proud owner of a '20' plated Defender (or whatever the thing is going to be called)? Since 1973...S1, Air Portable's, Defender's, but only my Wolf TUL HS GS remains
Post #788990 27th Aug 2019 9:29pm
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Stacey007



Member Since: 25 Sep 2015
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For £55,000 I reckon a 110 XS equivalent will cost I would rather have a second hand full fat RR and keep my 110 Thumbs Up


I've also seen a few more Suzuki Jimny's around, they look great Thumbs Up
Post #788993 27th Aug 2019 9:40pm
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seriesonenut



Member Since: 19 Nov 2014
Location: Essex
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Thinking of my age (old.... Rolling with laughter ) the rapid development of electric vehicles and conversions here is a thought. In 10 years time that 2020 Defender will probably be outdated and replaced by an electric version. My 2010 USW will be ripe for an electric conversion and something to hand on to my kids. That sounds a whole lot more sustainable in my book. In the meantime I will look after my Defender enjoy it and I think be genuinely caretaking it ready to hand on. Not many cars can have such a positive future surely? 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2
Post #788996 27th Aug 2019 9:49pm
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Ads90



Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
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United Kingdom 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green
AMBxx wrote:
jeffersj wrote:
Here it is



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Perhaps part of the film is the reveal - all the crap falls off revealing something that looks remarkably like the old Defender?

Even the Defender looks disappointed!
I know the old one sometimes suffered from droopy wings, but this one has a droopy face! Sad
Post #788997 27th Aug 2019 9:49pm
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Sulisuli



Member Since: 30 Oct 2016
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 HT Corris Grey
I would give them wave and if I saw one parked up and ask to have a good look at it.

Things change in life and whilst we may well prefer our defenders to the new one, none of us has been in it or seen it and are just passing comment based upon speculation and fuzzy photos, whilst I appreciate everyone is entitled to their views and opinions it will be interesting to see if those who are critical of it now perhaps change their minds in the future. 2015 HT XS 90
2008 SVX 90
2000 XS TD5 90
Post #788999 27th Aug 2019 9:50pm
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RDR



Member Since: 27 Apr 2018
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I’d wave if I had a defender 1 and would be great to be waved at in my defender 2. Ill also stick a defender2.net sticker on it Thumbs Up 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV
D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold
D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold
D4 MY12 HSE - Gone
D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten
Post #789003 27th Aug 2019 10:05pm
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Zed



Member Since: 07 Oct 2017
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black
Of course I’d return the wave.

Although I’d also check if I have full beam on or if there is something up with my Landy . Which is more likely.
Post #789007 27th Aug 2019 10:14pm
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What puddle?



Member Since: 25 Oct 2013
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Well, I have to say what an incredible and amazing disappointment? I'm still an avid Defender fan (even though I have a Jimny!) and decided against the Wrangler because of its stupid price. I held out a slight hope that JLR would bring forth a stunning new Defender and at a sensible price. I've already given up on the price bit, and now this! I'm a bit stunned. I was hoping that the mule video/pics were fake. Why has this effort taken so long? I could have designed that! Seriously, I think JLR is in trouble. I think the new Defender is a kind of make-or-break vehicle for them, and this simply isn't special enough. Jeep have produced a great Wrangler (but still don't understand economics) and Ford are rumoured to be on the verge of a leisure 4x4, so JLR really needed to pull the stops out on this one.

It's just...so boring!!! Come on, let's be honest, the DC100 was far better than this! I'm just blown away by how standard and dull it is. It has NOTHING going for it - they didn't even keep the rising roof line. I admit it's what the D5 should have been, but a Defender for the 2020s it simply isn't. Jesus! Now left.
Post #789009 27th Aug 2019 10:18pm
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blackrangie



Member Since: 07 Jul 2019
Location: sydney
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Australia 
blackwolf wrote:
blackrangie wrote:
... The previous defender was a terrible seller...


A little disingenuous, I feel, since as far as I know there was never a problem selling all the previous Defenders that could be made. The problem was the labour-intensive and hence costly and small volume manufacture.

From a commercial view it was inevitable that the new Defender would be aimed at the mass market, which in turn inevitably means most of the old one's endearing features become anachronisms.

At least there will be a good replacement for the Disco 2/3/4 (and the Skoda Yeti) at long last.


Put it this way, if they had 100000 orders per year they would have quadrupled the factory.

Slovakia has big production capability and LR can now produce 900000 vehicles annually

I would say not mass market but discerning capable 4x4 buyer
Post #789018 28th Aug 2019 2:16am
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