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Grenadier Member Since: 23 Jul 2014 Location: The foot of Mont Blanc... Posts: 5841 |
The problem is Naks, that whilst there are many on here (and around in general) who are the 1950s yeomanry types, there are many many more who aren’t. They appreciate the direction LR needed to go, they understand the tech. But, even so, they, (or I, as I’m one), ask why-oh-why couldn’t it at least preserved the ‘look’ of the old one which is probably the most important, (but by no means only), factor in its character and had at least one stripped down, more affordable model for the enthusiast? Even if that enthusiast might be slightly more well-off than other enthusiasts? These two requirements from the Defender community is something they could have perfectly easily achieved. Look at the new VW Camper, the 911, the Wrangler, the G Wagen, the Unimog, the Mini etc. All iconic cars that have been brilliantly rendered into 21c vehicles. There is NOTHING about the new Discfender that achieves that same lineage. That’s why I’m moaning and I’m sure why others are (principally) moaning too. Click image to enlarge Versus Click image to enlarge Monsieur Le Grenadier I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list..... 2011 Puma 110DC - Corris Grey |
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12th Sep 2019 6:34am |
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Swedishbloke Member Since: 14 Mar 2014 Location: North of the Arctic circle Posts: 12 |
While I am not a huge fan of the looks of the new Defender I most admit that it looks much, much better with the white steel rims.
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12th Sep 2019 9:04am |
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RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1585 |
I was lucky enough to buy a tomb raider 110 back in 2002. I paid £26k ish for it from memory. When you put that in one of these online inflation calculators, it works out at £40k ish. That did have a roll cage and lights. But no other stuff really didn’t even have electric windows.
So price has just risen away from us. I only paid £21k for a year old D3 Xs in 2008. Try buying a year old disco for that now. I’ll be waiting for the commercial and will use it as part of my tree surgery firm. |
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12th Sep 2019 10:16am |
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What puddle? Member Since: 25 Oct 2013 Location: Reading Posts: 952 |
Can someone cleverer than me please explain: Suzuki can make a great small 4x4 for less than £20,000. They are so popular that Suzuki can't keep up with demand (waiting list of a year in the UK!!!). It's been a massive success. So my question: why didn't LR make the new Defender simply a larger version for £30,000? As I'm saying on the other thread, why did they go up-market? Someone please explain. Is there more profit in selling £40,000++ cars (but fewer of them) than there is in selling LOTS of £30,000 cars? Because I'm guessing that LR could sell hundreds of thousands of a £30k 4x4. Now left.
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12th Sep 2019 10:27am |
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doncarloz Member Since: 29 Oct 2017 Location: Styria Posts: 60 |
@what puddle: you already answered your question yourself. Esp premium car makers don't make money on cheaper cars. If i remember correctly BMW for instance burns money on any car sold under 40k€. Thats why they want you to buy that fugly x6.
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12th Sep 2019 10:56am |
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MartinK Member Since: 02 Mar 2011 Location: Silverdale (Lancashire/Cumbria Border) Posts: 2665 |
Not sure if this has been posted here, just seen on another forum:
Click image to enlarge Defender "Puma" 2.4 110 County Utility (possibly the last of the 2.4's) |
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12th Sep 2019 11:21am |
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Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 |
Is that an official slide? First image of 130 or just someone's impression?
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12th Sep 2019 12:04pm |
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RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 595 |
the leaked 130 silhouette on those presentation slides a few months ago didn't have the rear mounted spare. I would think they will sling it underneath on the 130 as there should be space and it stops the length getting out of hand. 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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12th Sep 2019 3:57pm |
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Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 |
So am I the forum traitor? Just home from the dealership and I didn’t demand my deposit back but left them with a couple of specs to work on. Looks like it’s just the car for me to be able to reduce from my Mini Countryman PHEV and 1996 TDi300 County Hard Top converted to a station wagon to something that will handle my day to day needs and be able to get me off-road in comfort. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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12th Sep 2019 4:12pm |
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RDR Member Since: 27 Apr 2018 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 595 |
nice one, have an appointment this weekend at the dealers to discuss my order further. Sent them a couple of builds through, i note the finance APR is 5.9% I got 4% on the disco last month so negations will be interesting. Guess they will stand fast given its a new model! 110 MY23.5 X Dynamic HSE
RR MY23 HSE PHEV D5 MY19 HSE - Now Sold D4 MY16 HSE Luxury - Now Sold D4 MY12 HSE - Gone D3 MY06 S - Gone but not forgotten |
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12th Sep 2019 4:19pm |
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spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4721 |
Anyone checked if Britpart have started listing parts for the Complexifender yet? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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12th Sep 2019 4:22pm |
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Landish Member Since: 19 Jun 2018 Location: UK Posts: 74 |
Are you going for the 110, Tim? Which engine? 2005 Defender 90 TD5 |
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12th Sep 2019 4:45pm |
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Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3753 |
My preferred specs are:
Option A) 110 SE P300 Country Pack, Off-road Pack, Tow Pack, Cold Climate Pack, style 9006 alloys. I’m undecided about colour but either Indus or Pangea or Fuji White, same with the roof - green with white contrast but body colour if white or silver, I fancy the panoramic roof but it isn’t essential. Ebony interior with optional heated rear seats. Option B) 90 SE P400E or P300, with all the same packs and options and delete option of the silly body coloured square panels over the rear windows (I think that feature looks great on the 110 though, just look silly on the 90) I’m happy to wait for the announcement of the PHEV as having run a PHEV now for 15 months it suits my present drives to a T, and the LR PHEV has a bigger range than my Countryman’s. In the last 15 months with the Mini PHEV around 80% of my trips have been made in fully electric mode and where I live (16 miles out of town in the sticks) I have access to free use of public chargers and use the solar panels on my roof to charge the Mini in the daytime or I can set it to charge in the offpeak period at night, I don’t need a home charger. The reason for not opting for the P400E 110 is that I think the price will be higher than my price ceiling of £65000. I would go diesel if there were something better than the 2.0ltr Ingenium Diesel Engine which has been beset with DPF and oil dilution issues in Evoque and Discovery Sport and JLR don’t seem to be making any effort to cure those problems. Would be nice to think that a diesel motor with similar power and torque to my much missed SDv6 RRS HSE Dynamic might become available. My 110 spec would look like this screen shot from the configurator Click image to enlarge Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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12th Sep 2019 5:29pm |
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Zed Member Since: 07 Oct 2017 Location: In the woods Posts: 3327 |
I had just had a try without going OTT and it came in a smidgen under £90k.
Bargain. |
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12th Sep 2019 6:27pm |
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